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I completely agree and thanks for thr clarification. Everything about this build feels that way and is a big part of me wanting this build to end...even when I know he is goibg to mess up the next build too.

DC built the offense Young could run but it's too limited and relies on a effective run game and/or a poor opponent. Where I disagree is that DC and DM being held hostage to what they signed up for equaling getting a chance to prove it's not them but the Teppers. They absolutely could have snuck a better QB into the mix vs resigning Dalton. If they couldn't have done even that then the next QB won't be their's either. Lots of debate on both but 'the guy they chose and belive in' is a dead end already since they are operating in the space they were hired to operate in while not being able to find anyone better than Dalton. Either by choice, having zero choice in the matter or by personal faults. None of those should equal go save us at QB IMO

Yep and that's how we got what we got but that in no way changes what I said either. They had a chance to bring in another body and chose Dalton, Hooker and Plumber.

Both took the job when that was the reason they were both hired in the first place. They followed that up by keeping Dalton as option B. That excuse is dead.

I have as much worry that moving on from Bryce will burn thr team any more than when we move on from Andy or Corbett or when we moved on from Ian Thomas. Unless he finds a team that has HOF WRs and a 150 yard a game RB there is no chance you will constantly see good Bryce. They will never build that around Bryce here when he is almost at his 5th year option and the last chances to stack a team around a rookie contract is freaking hilarious to me. The closest chance he had left is leaving here and going somewhere on the cheap that has those things until they give him a starter range QB contract which would just be Bryce here again. It's all a dead end with Bryce any way you look at it except the fantasy takes.

I think the guys at the lower end of the athletic traits spectrum tend to be really noticable when they lose anything. Andy was never a freak in any category.

Andy started to fall apart in 2018 with a torn thumb ligament and only had one 3k+ year after that, 2019. Not all QBs can play until 40 but a non-running QB falling apart at 32 is a bit surprising. He hit that cliff hard by 2020.

He Is basically the HC of the D. I really do not like this build at all.

DC had Rico and chose to run Hubbard. DC could have asked for anyone else but went with Dalton Hooker and Plumber? as the QBs he wanted even if he inherited Bryce. Moore still has a spot on the roster. Corbett over Mays at center. These are things he chose and are on him.

He was out coached by a HC in his first HC game this year. That's how the season started. He brought back Andy. He never has the team ready at the begining of the year. Corbett at center over Mays. Moore and Scott are still on the team. Rico behind Hubbard. Not admiting the entire team relys on the run game to not only work but excel. He isn't very good. Him picking his own QB isn't enough of an excuses to gloss over the issues.

He also doesn't respond well to constant pressure or secure the ball well. It would have been a different view of the same thing.

Playing the bad teams early gave a sense that things were better than they are and playing the good teams when they are hitting their stride on the way to the playoffs are going to be brutal. The yearly stats are already adjusting hard. A bottom 1/3 O and a D dropping fast into the middle 3rd and falling.

The bad teams couldn't or wouldn't take the obvious approach against the Pa there but most of those games are done. GB will absolutely attack their weaknesses again. It's hard to expect quality adjustments from this crew either.

If the Panthers can't run and keep running expect the same as last game regsrdless of QB playing. The Packers are in a different teir and it will show again. 30 - 10 woukd be a decent loss, could be a lot more again.

They had a chance to upgrade that spot and they paid Dalton again after watching him for 2 years. Nothing is going to save them from that mistake at this point. They hope to have Bryce out there getting ate up by better teams soon I guess.

Sure, along with a new HC. This one isn't even a good OC. They are going to end up with a top 10 pick as this goes the way it's heading. Bryce isn't winning without a extremely effective run game either and most of the easy games are over and other teams are building up to their playoff runs at this point in the season. That's a bad combo for the team.

Frustration creates friction. With a wet noodle of a HC I am guessing we see more when the rah rahs fall flat but they aren't there yet. Give it a few more bad games and the going from feeling decent to the ass they clearly are will compound the frustration. Too soon but it's on the radar now with the current trajectory.

I wouldn't bet on anything but stupid with this team these days. I don’t care what his contract is, Dalton will be gone by next year. He is washed and if they have to play him much more then he might be gone before then. Who knows with these people and their BS. If the rest of the season looks like yesterday then it's not a lock any of them will be around next year and I would be thrilled...until they brought in the next losers Tepper falls in love with.

He got a warm up last week so it's not like he didn't have enough time to warm up enough with that and a whole week of work as the starter. He also knows the playbook obviously. His vet skills and knowledge was his best ability left but they looked like they were non-existent yesterday. That's a huge issue because then he brings nothing to the table at that point. He shouldn't have a job anymore and that was before yesterday. There is no way that resigning him wasn't 100% a mistake at this point. He isn't going to improve either, he is on his downhill journey at this point and it's been going on the last 2 years before our eyes.

I think he is that bad. He just past the point of being serviceable overall. He was good for one game the last 2 seasons for being a lite version of his old self but fell apart after that. He doesn't have much left to give to the game and that's fine given what he has accomplished to this point. It was obvious in preseason honestly. The why they brought him back is completely laughable. Bryce is in year three so he didn't need emotional support or a friend, he needed to go put up a showing that gets him his 5th year option. He needed to see how a team works with a guy trying to prove himself after failing elsewhere, not to pander to his ego or feelings. Go be a professional and not a grown ass babyman. Im over the coddling this team gives people and it coming back to blow up in their faces.

The season was dead at conception. If the schedule wasn't so easy upfront then everyone would already know this. They won some slap fights agaisnt other losers but got slapped in the face by the reality of the situation. This is still not a good team and it's still questionable if they are building more than better than 'historically bad'.

I said he was washed when they resigned him and not many wanted to hear it. There is zero reasons to have guys on the 53 that can't contribute anymore. They should have gone after someone else and let that guy retire. What a fugging joke

I love Moton but when they extended him I guessed what was going to happen. Big guys and knees usually only go one way unfortunately. Dumb move and Im guessing Brandt was at the table for that one too. Of course ride Corbett at OG, just work on the next plan fast because it's going to be needed soon. Watching BC go down after not being played as much as he should have also wiped any hope that he is any part of the future. Backups that can't backup are as useful as Andy Dalton in his farewell sunset tour. Yeah it's going to get interesting to see who and where they play everyone moving forward. I have little faith in their personnel decisions.

Brooks isn't anything worth putting hope into at this point, that dude can'tbe relyed on until he can stay healthy for any period of time. If that is your answer then you have already failed. If they trade Rico and Hubbard misses any more time then the wheels would come off worse than yesterday. They need him and DC needs to figure it out. Play Rico and spell him with Hubbard. If Hubbard doesn't like it then he can carry that chip into his runs. This team goes as well as it's running and it needs a ridiculous amount at that to carry the QB play and spell the D. Everything was exposed yesterday when they got hit in the mouth from the opponents run game. That's what they need to do to other teams if they want any amount of success the rest of the season.

If the run game isn't working then the D and O will revert to the cheeks we all know too well. Once they started getting cute with the Wildcat call it was obvious how the game was going to go.