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I was out on him before we ever picked him and I'm still right. He should be traded in the offseason and his 'improvement' as remedial as it is should help with that is the positive. He isn't it and the growth is going nowhere. He doesn't have it and there isn't a team in the league that's talented enough to make him look good. Just because he isn't racing Russel for biggest bust ever doesn't change the fact of how bad he is and what his limited game he can play does to the offense. 2 years the opponents have played down to the Panthers and for 2 years that is a reason for false hope. And then games happen like on Sunday when a opponent shows up hurt and angry and shows the reality of the situation. It's a dead end.

Put Young on any team and tell me you would fear playing that team. LOL. He isn't good and he isn't going to ever be good. He just doesn't have it at this level. He peaked in school and it was always obvious. That list is just more proof they have made massive talent and roster evaluation errors while forcing it where they hardly make an impact on other teams. Go a head an add Young to that list when he leaves here, he should keep to that curve. If that wasn't the Panther's current situation then they would be airing the game tomorrow. This is not a secret anymore and anyone still talking growth or next year is just clowning themselves.

That makes a lot more sense

That's the difference maker. Even the Broncos dumped Wilson but the Browns are stuck and the Jets still owe dummy 63 mil after '25 in dead money over 4 years.

I honestly don't get Lance at #1. He was taken in the covid draft, the trade up was really dumb but they also identified the issue and still traded him away while easily replacing him with a placeholder who still was good enough to get into a SB. That team has stayed a playoff team until this year and they still have double the wins of the Panthers while failing in 2024. Lance should have been #5 and move everything else up one spot. All the other moves crippled those teams from those decisions. Hell Urban had more of a negative impact than the Lance debacle on their teams. Watson above Wilson without doubt. The guaranteed money and poo show around Watson makes it no contest IMO.

The jugs passing machines have a brighter future than Young in the league so why is it a surprise he is being passed by the actual humans playing the game?

It's crazy the blackout thing still exists. The local networks play whoever will get views. I think it's all in the broadcast deals they have with the NFL. The viewers dictate who they air by who they think will tune in. It's not been an issue here since early days that I know of.

They will show whoever gets them viewers to watch advertisements. I can't remember this happening since they got rid of the blackout TV mess they used to do. This screams of the reality of the entire Panther situation.

What an awful offseason they had. Wasted so much money in free agency and got so little. Their best rookie was undrafted as a WR. First round was a WR who body catches or has the dropsies. Second round is an injury prone RB who is on IR again. Wallace was meh and now also injured. Sanders is OK for a 3rd, at least when you compare him to the other picks. Talent evaluation and team building continue to be an issue with anyone working for the Panthers so nothing new since Tepper showed up.

DM, DC and BY are all massive bust here but as long as Tepper is running the team like he does this is what Panther football looks like, empty hope and unwatchable football. The only thing Tepper is building is a team that will be eternally picking in the top 10 with zero hope of watching good football in Panther jerseys.

How about all of them? I think the Jackson trade was the only one that was clearly good. The rest are meh.

Evero isn't nearly as good as some around here think. Playing Chinn at FS was a giant red flag. Dude took over a good D and it regressed while here he hasn't built anything for the next guy worth trying to prop up or anything much to blow up either. He is a jag coach and little more.

IDK, having issues with Williams is fine with me and I don't blame him on that front. Very weird he left the play but it also looked like he hopped a bit, too uncertain. I have no problem with a guy who hates to lose but he should have asked for a trade before signing the extension that makes it very difficult to move him for a while. It was 4 months after they traded Fields so that's weird. IDK what's going on but at 27 mil a year makes it worse for the Bears and I am happy to see that.

There doesn't seem to be anyone on the roster worth mentoring. I feel bad for him. What a waste of an end of a career. Him being the only legit passrush has to be the cause of him staying because any compensation would have very little regardless.

It's his 4th year and he is a backup. Great to have but he isn't healthy enough to make me want to see a long term deal. I don't get BC. Physically talented but he kept getting beat by competition at so many different spots. They need more rookie contracts on the online with Ickey coming up for his payday.

A project is fine. A pack of them has been an issuenfor sure. I just think most rookie QBs are projects at this point, some can start and others need to sit But you won't really know until they get in and start working with a professional crew vs the part time gig as a student athlete.

Because Young is so historically bad that it just skews too far outside the normal deviations that perspective is easily lost. That or they just don't want to believe it. The struggles last year would have been more about the infighting and poor roster building or idiot owner's hiring practices than with Stroud. He wouldn't have been as good but he wouldn't have been ruined here and the pressure was not Carr-esk if you take out the Young created portion from his playing style. Dude is a young guy on a team coached by a Defensive guy building a good D but not building up the O in year 2 of his HC 1st time gig. Seems familiar... Go look at his output this year and not just some crappy Thursday night implosion game, I would take that in a second and never ever look back every time without a shred of doubt while eating 4 of those games a year with a giant smile on my face.

He looks the part. Not perfect but very enticing. Looks like a guy that can be coached up.

Trade AT and a 7th while eating his cap while just ending up with a roster space?

I do wonder how it changes by team. Do teams that draft well draft that much better while teams that draft like us bring those % down to those averages? QB in the 1st is a pretty obvious one for people who don't want to pick another 1st round QB next year. Like it or not that is the reality of the situation.

We don't need to know what % was his fault last year because it was all bad enough to know to not sign up for more of it. Look at the stuff he was directly responsible for being the point man on, the pro-personnel, and the stuff he was involved in should tell you enough. If you have to discount it to make it look better than you already knew the answer. It's just making excuses for all of those people. Hoping something changes while discounting the work they already done here has proven to be a losing strategy every time so far. Maximus Copius Bulshitetus i think is the Latin name for that phenonium.

We should have just traded Jackson for a late 5th or 6th and called it a win. Johnson was a known entity when we traded for him and it was stated that brining in a disgruntled WR in a contract year when there isn't a QB worth starting on the team was a bad idea by multiple posters here. That's on Morgan 100% for wasting all that cap and ending up in this situation. Also, it is a good look getting him to a good place. That's the only win here for the Panthers and they need all the help they can get when it comes to perception of guys in free agency and such.

The college level is no longer producing to the standards that makes it worth calling it a feeder league anymore. Just make an NFL developmental league for guys below the 3 year HS cutoff and tell the NCAA to kick rocks. The QBs that are good enough for that level vs the NFL is getting comically bad. If the NFL can't develop guys who played at that level for 3 years in less than 2 years then it's just a failed system at this point. Pay everyone a minimum and the schools couldn't compete, guys would have plenty of money to pay for their own tuition.

I wouldn't focus on a Thursday games too much. They are the the worst product pushed by the NFL, well except the Panthers. That and the Europe games are such a substandard product but even those get a full week. I would still take a player with the ability to play in the NFL over a guy who peaked in school any day and even on a dead end team like the Panthers.

Win-win. The trade was lame AF but he had to go given his situation.