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Despite the constant drum beat of Common Core Math, some folks still can't count lol. Kiper just a name and entertaining presence. No one cares about his accuracy, certainly not his bosses at ESPN. He get's ratings and clicks. That's all that matters to them. The more outrage, the better. As far as who the Panthers draft: it just depends on who the best player is to the Panthers. Who has the most dawg in them so to speak. It's about building the team culture and making improvements. I do enjoy the draft hysteria, the melodrama is so delicious.
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Impact Rookies in Playoffs (Beyond Round 1)
d-dave replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
Well, hindsight is 20/20. If you don't learn from the past, you will continue to make mistakes today. So much of the draft is projection. How well will this play fit our system? How much room does he have to grow? There are a handful of ready made products, then the rest are the results of coaching and opportunity. XL is a great athlete. He moves different. But he's a body catcher. That's going to limit him until he learns to use his hands, or plays a different WR position. They also loved the guy. I'm guessing he would fit in with the culture Canales is creating. Brooks was the run away #1 RB except that he was hurt. We saw in his limited time that the dude moves differently. Hrm...Interesting that both XL and Brooks do that... Brooks was going to get drafted high. That's just the way it is with talent. I think there was a bit of a stylistic choice: get guys who can create because of their physical abilities. Was this the right direction? I don't know. To be honest, none of us will know for a bit yet. Brooks getting hurt again sucks. Will he be the same guy? I don't know. I fully agree with taking the best players, maybe not the most talent physical specimens. At the same time, they have the keys. It's up to Morgan, Canales and Brandt to get it done. It's their jobs on the line. Their reputations. -
Biggest Decision on offense this offseason…….
d-dave replied to WarPanthers89's topic in Carolina Panthers
Oh boy, we saw what happened when he was out... I'd rather have Moton for 13 games than 17 with...whoever? Moton has been an above average RT for most of his career. I'd try to keep him as long as he's productive via an extension instead of hoping we can resign Brady Christensen to play RT or drafting someone else right now. -
XL is good people. He just exudes his real authentic self. Now he comes across as a hard worker. He's not a finished product at age 23/24, but he's still a young man. My hope is that XL can reflect and get better this off season. If I'm Bryce, I'd definitely connect with him and work on developing that chemistry. On his own, XL needs to be coached up on hands catching. I know it's a hard habit to break, but he's got to do a better job of using his hands instead of allowing the ball to travel into his body to make these middle catches. My hope is that XL grows a lot for year two! If not, he'll find himself pushed down the depth chart by less talented guys. I'm rooting for him!!!
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I really appreciate these. Like him or not, JT has played high level football at a place where I couldn't imagine. I mean, I was 6th string DT in high school before I said "I'm going where the girls are!" =P He's very bullish on Bryce, and I think JT wants to see him succeed. I know many of us are all over these videos so he knows he's going to get the views on any BY video. It's a feedback cycle almost, lol. JT thinks BY is a legit QB. Not perfect, he does point out error, and seems to go out of his way to insult Theilan's speed constantly. It's almost funny. Honestly, it just confirms what we've seen: BY found himself after being benched. He's improved each week, made great plays, had a few stinkers along the way. Let's build the rest of the team around Bryce.
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Man, what a crazy game! The Panthers offense had to be nearly perfect. Atlanta didn't punt. Way to play! The draft with be the draft. Whatever. I'm so happy to end the season with a win. Yeah, we still have a lot of weak areas, but this is one heck of a way to send the Falcons home. I'll take it!
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The reality is we have spent most of the Tepper era fugging around. We tried to instantly solve the QB problem - failed. Tried a Program Builder Coach - Failure. Tried a Carolina Connection Retread - Failure. FINALLY - Tepper is taking a backseat and he's going to allow the guys he's paying big bucks to actually run the team. They will have two more years to see if they have what it takes, then you move on. As far as QBs - look, they were all top three picks. Baker #1, Darnold #3 and Bryce #1. These are all very talented QBs. It sure helped Baker going to a team that spend money and picks on Tom Brady's SB team. Sam went to a great QB/system coach with an all world WR that added quality pieces to support a rookie QB. Bryce came into a team bereft of talent. We traded the farm for Bryce. We have been "rebuilding" poorly for 6 years. So what I'll say is that the Panthers have two years or so. Either we start to make some noise in 2025 and win in 2026; or we start over again. Giving these guys three years is a good leash.
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Same reason you posted Young's record. I know you've been anti Young for a multitude of reasons. We can agree we just won't see eye to eye and that's all good to me. You have seen how anytime we have the slightest bit of forward momentum there are the "what-abouts" that come out of the woodwork. Nix looked good throwing short and having explosive play makers. How many "tough" throws did he have to make? Some people on this board will use moments like last night to prove how wrong we were, if we had only drafted Nix instead! (or any other QB!). My point with Bryce and the past two years is that context matters more so than the end result. I'm a teacher. If a 10th grade kid comes in the fall with a 4th grade reading level, and ends the year reading at an 8th grade level - that's a HUGE F'in win! In one year, teachers and the kid (and family) worked really hard to improve. He still fails the reading exam because it's written for a 10th grade reading level. The result is still a big L on the ole NC Report Card, but that kid grew like crazy. To circle back (look, my caffeine hasn't hit yet, and the kids who can't be trusted at home are sugar high and ready to get home...haha) the OP's point is that stats are relative. Nix can throw short balls all night to playmakers and have a nice stat line in a loss. Bryce doesn't have the playmakers nor the game planning of Sean Peyton to have that kind of stuff stat sheet games. God, I'm tired =P This is probably a poor answer, but that's all I have for this Friday before Winter Break here.
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For all the stat nerds who are mad at Bryce Young for not single-handedly lifting the Panthers and their fantasy team to the top of something... And @rayzor hit the nail on the head. We are probably one of the most miserable fan bases in the NFL. Admittedly, we don't have a lot to be happy about. When there's a remote ray of sunshine, we have to immediately point out how much worse we are and better everyone else is. It's almost a knee jerk, instinctual reaction at this point!
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You know Gunn wants to get the internet started talking about the movie with that trailer. I'm looking forward to it. I've really loved his superhero stuff so hopefully this continues.
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Fix Your Franchise: Carolina Panthers
d-dave replied to CarolinaRideorDie's topic in Carolina Panthers
It was a fun video, until they got into the McDonald's stuff. Sounded disgusting. I also hate McDonalds and consider it the lowest form of fast food. Bleh! (my opinion) As far as Bryce - he's shown a lot of promise to the coaches, the media and community. If you're a Bryce doubter or hater, I got bad new: he's going to be QB in 2025. I'm still personally in the "let's see how he grows." I'm also not sure if any of the top QBs are better than him. Then again, I have much NFL personnel experience as y'all do (zero). I am all for the idea of building the team back up. We need talent. Look, if Bryce is inconsistent in 2025 and shows a real lack of growth and progress, then we'll still be in shape to draft a quality QB in the top half of the first round for 2026. Next season is the make or break for Young. I can imagine if he falls apart again, Dave will quickly yank him and start looking at the next QB class. -
I adored the first film, 28 Day Later. It was such a cool take on the zombie genre. The worst monsters are always the people. I think about that movie a lot
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Opinions are like feet, we all have a couple, and everyone thinks mine stink. I understand you don't like Bryce Young. I'm Bryce-hopeful. I also realize he's an outlier physically, but it wouldn't matter if Bryce was prophetically sized or Anthony Richardson sized. I mean, in a similar number of games, AR has three times the number of fumbles that Bryce has. You looked at the three games prior to Sunday, and you say "stat watcher." I didn't see that. I saw Bryce making plays, looking more confident, and leading his team. No, he wasn't perfect, he made mistakes, and bad throws. When the game was on the line, he stepped up and made some great plays. In two games, he lead us to leads before being let down by the defense. Against the Eagles, he threw a great ball to XL that was dropped. I'm not going to change your mind that Bryce is not good enough to play in the NFL. But I will say that he's showed some real potential as an anticipatory passer. As far as pulling the plug, I was in favor of that early in the season. He looked just horrific weeks 1-2. Andy was playing well. But since he's come back, Bryce has looked so much better. We gave up the farm for that pick. Right or wrong, we need to ride it out. The team sucks. Put another young QB on a crappy team, see what happens. Regardless of what we do with the Qb position in the future, we need more talent across the board.
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Every game that Bryce falters is another game that people will use to write the bust tag under his name. Did Bryce have bad game? Oh yeah, what a turd of a game. He cannot put the ball on the ground that many times. Did Bryce have a few good throws? Yes he did, but the game got out of hand pretty quickly because of the turnovers, poor coverage of CeeDee Lamb, and poor run defense. This game was a showcase of our lack of talent. Even our vaunted OL got outmatched. Mike Zimmer "got" Bryce. We showed exactly why we are a 3-11 team heading for a top five pick. We just have such a narrow margin of error being as bad as we are. Do does that mean we should grab another QB? Or pick the best player. If Travis Hunter is there at 3, do you take a chance on a project QB like Cam Ward (decision making) or Sanders (ego/maturity)? Both have more physical upside than Bryce, but both need time on the bench to learn how to play in the NFL. To me, there's not a clear cut improvement from Bryce Young in the draft, and in FA, it's just going to be another band aid. We don't have enough talent in other areas to give a veteran QB a chance to really shine. So Canales is going to have to learn from this turd of a game, and Morgan is going to have to work on addressing these deficiencies.