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Same reason you posted Young's record. I know you've been anti Young for a multitude of reasons. We can agree we just won't see eye to eye and that's all good to me. You have seen how anytime we have the slightest bit of forward momentum there are the "what-abouts" that come out of the woodwork. Nix looked good throwing short and having explosive play makers. How many "tough" throws did he have to make? Some people on this board will use moments like last night to prove how wrong we were, if we had only drafted Nix instead! (or any other QB!). My point with Bryce and the past two years is that context matters more so than the end result. I'm a teacher. If a 10th grade kid comes in the fall with a 4th grade reading level, and ends the year reading at an 8th grade level - that's a HUGE F'in win! In one year, teachers and the kid (and family) worked really hard to improve. He still fails the reading exam because it's written for a 10th grade reading level. The result is still a big L on the ole NC Report Card, but that kid grew like crazy. To circle back (look, my caffeine hasn't hit yet, and the kids who can't be trusted at home are sugar high and ready to get home...haha) the OP's point is that stats are relative. Nix can throw short balls all night to playmakers and have a nice stat line in a loss. Bryce doesn't have the playmakers nor the game planning of Sean Peyton to have that kind of stuff stat sheet games. God, I'm tired =P This is probably a poor answer, but that's all I have for this Friday before Winter Break here.

For all the stat nerds who are mad at Bryce Young for not single-handedly lifting the Panthers and their fantasy team to the top of something... And @rayzor hit the nail on the head. We are probably one of the most miserable fan bases in the NFL. Admittedly, we don't have a lot to be happy about. When there's a remote ray of sunshine, we have to immediately point out how much worse we are and better everyone else is. It's almost a knee jerk, instinctual reaction at this point!

You know Gunn wants to get the internet started talking about the movie with that trailer. I'm looking forward to it. I've really loved his superhero stuff so hopefully this continues.

It was a fun video, until they got into the McDonald's stuff. Sounded disgusting. I also hate McDonalds and consider it the lowest form of fast food. Bleh! (my opinion) As far as Bryce - he's shown a lot of promise to the coaches, the media and community. If you're a Bryce doubter or hater, I got bad new: he's going to be QB in 2025. I'm still personally in the "let's see how he grows." I'm also not sure if any of the top QBs are better than him. Then again, I have much NFL personnel experience as y'all do (zero). I am all for the idea of building the team back up. We need talent. Look, if Bryce is inconsistent in 2025 and shows a real lack of growth and progress, then we'll still be in shape to draft a quality QB in the top half of the first round for 2026. Next season is the make or break for Young. I can imagine if he falls apart again, Dave will quickly yank him and start looking at the next QB class.

I adored the first film, 28 Day Later. It was such a cool take on the zombie genre. The worst monsters are always the people. I think about that movie a lot

Nice read, but nothing groundbreaking. Sounds like the injuries keeping him from playing at his elite level were what caused him to retire. I understand it's better to leave at your peak than get cut and tossed out with the refuse.

Opinions are like feet, we all have a couple, and everyone thinks mine stink. I understand you don't like Bryce Young. I'm Bryce-hopeful. I also realize he's an outlier physically, but it wouldn't matter if Bryce was prophetically sized or Anthony Richardson sized. I mean, in a similar number of games, AR has three times the number of fumbles that Bryce has. You looked at the three games prior to Sunday, and you say "stat watcher." I didn't see that. I saw Bryce making plays, looking more confident, and leading his team. No, he wasn't perfect, he made mistakes, and bad throws. When the game was on the line, he stepped up and made some great plays. In two games, he lead us to leads before being let down by the defense. Against the Eagles, he threw a great ball to XL that was dropped. I'm not going to change your mind that Bryce is not good enough to play in the NFL. But I will say that he's showed some real potential as an anticipatory passer. As far as pulling the plug, I was in favor of that early in the season. He looked just horrific weeks 1-2. Andy was playing well. But since he's come back, Bryce has looked so much better. We gave up the farm for that pick. Right or wrong, we need to ride it out. The team sucks. Put another young QB on a crappy team, see what happens. Regardless of what we do with the Qb position in the future, we need more talent across the board.

Every game that Bryce falters is another game that people will use to write the bust tag under his name. Did Bryce have bad game? Oh yeah, what a turd of a game. He cannot put the ball on the ground that many times. Did Bryce have a few good throws? Yes he did, but the game got out of hand pretty quickly because of the turnovers, poor coverage of CeeDee Lamb, and poor run defense. This game was a showcase of our lack of talent. Even our vaunted OL got outmatched. Mike Zimmer "got" Bryce. We showed exactly why we are a 3-11 team heading for a top five pick. We just have such a narrow margin of error being as bad as we are. Do does that mean we should grab another QB? Or pick the best player. If Travis Hunter is there at 3, do you take a chance on a project QB like Cam Ward (decision making) or Sanders (ego/maturity)? Both have more physical upside than Bryce, but both need time on the bench to learn how to play in the NFL. To me, there's not a clear cut improvement from Bryce Young in the draft, and in FA, it's just going to be another band aid. We don't have enough talent in other areas to give a veteran QB a chance to really shine. So Canales is going to have to learn from this turd of a game, and Morgan is going to have to work on addressing these deficiencies.

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To me, as an idiot with a keyboard (the most dangerous kind!), I think we're seeing improvements. Looking at the entire operation this season (not last season), there have been improvements week to week. There have also been times when the team has been maddeningly inconsistent. So this is a young team coached by a young coach. Ok. We aren't some kind of mega great team. We are a struggling team. Is it all Bryce's fault? No. Bryce faultless? No. The truth is in the middle: he makes some good plays, he makes some questionable decisions. We don't have a real explosive threat. Teams are playing us close to the line of scrimmage because no one scares them. Bryce also doesn't have a cannon of an arm either. What I've seen is Bryce is playing like a different player from the first two games of the season. He's much more confident and joyful. Everyone has their thing. Cam needed to get hit a few times to get lathered up. Others have to feel disrespected. Whatever - these pros play the game differently. He's playing better, which is a big deal. Bryce has also driven the team to leading scores in the last few minutes of games. XL's drop, if he hadn't, would have put us at a tie. If Eddy hit the extra point, we could have won. Against Tampa and KC, he lead scoring drives only to get that pulled out from under him by bad tackling on QB scrambles. I think he's got that clutch gene. Now Bryce did also have a terrible INT, missed some plays, and didn't have as strong a game as he's had over the past few weeks since he's been back starting. But, no other QB in the league has ups and downs. They are all amazing 100% of the time. I get it. Some of y'all don't like Bryce. That's fine. But the team owes it to themselves to keep riding Bryce. The players believe in Bryce. Let's see how that investment turns out. If he falls apart next season, then you move on. You gave him three seasons. Then maybe you get in the Arch Manning sweepstakes (or whoever is the hot QB candidate). But I think (again, I'm an idiot with a keyboard) Bryce is playing better. Let's keep riding this bus through 2025.

I'm much more inclined to keep Bryce than trade him for another rookie QB. I think Canales has actually done a really good job of getting Bryce back to who he was at Alabama. Bryce does continue to have physical limitations, but he's definitely playing better. Is Bryce perfect? Nope. Does he have a lot of things to "clean up" as the Panthers are fond of saying? Yes he does. If he gets better in this areas, will he become a better pro QB? I think so. Will that make him a top 10 QB? Maybe? The thing about QBs is you need to be patient. They all need support. Once they find a guy, they always talk about surrounding him with weapons. Bryce is no different. Everyone needs a supporting cast. Look at the Buffalo game yesterday. Allen made some crazy good plays! His runs, throwing some crazy good balls! He really showed his bag of tricks. But Allen didn't catch those balls, he didn't play defense, and he didn't play special teams. Wins and losses are far too often associated with QBs when they are as much a team issue. You can have a QB have a great games, but if the other parts of the team don't come through, it's still a loss. I think the Panthers have to give Bryce next year before they really start considering if he's the guy for the long term or not.

Man, I hope Brooks is OK. I don't know. A lot of y'all are poo pooing him for getting hurt again. It's football. Guys get hurt all the time. The timing sucks for him and us, but that's how it works. Brooks looked really good last week. I hope it was more out of an abundance of caution, but I don't expect to see him play the rest of the season. As far as XL, he's in his own head. He's a rookie receiver. It happens. There are growing pains for most rookie receivers in some way, shape, or form. It's not worth getting upset and labeling him a bust. Now if he's doing this stuff in 2 years, then that's completely fair. It doesn't change that fact that the Panthers still have plenty of work to do on both sides of the ball.

Jameis is a fun watch. He'll make some insanely good plays, and then throw a couple pick sixes to even things out. You never know which part of the ride you're on any given play. But do I want to trade Bryce for Winston? Nope. I'm on board the "let Bryce play" train. I want to see what the rest of the season looks like.

It's perspective. When you step away from a complex problem for a bit, then you can come back and attack it. It's how I deal with things that are hard at work. I'll do something else, watch someone else do it, get mad at them for being dumb, and then do it the way I want to get the results I want. At a certain point, your skills and training take over. The click that people have. In my photography journey, I started off bad. Really bad. I had no idea what I was doing. Then as i learned more about light, things got better. But then it clicked at the last event I shot, and I got some incredible photos because my brain and body learned to work together along with my intuition. I've been really thrilled with Bryce the past few weeks. I think he's turning that corner. It doesn't mean he's going to destroy the Eagles, but even if the Eagle end up turning us into a speedbump, there will still be solid growth from that game. If nothing else, he's shown he' the guy for the now and near future. We should definitely know if he's worth it after next year.

He read the forum guys! (ha! I get to be the first with that joke!)