mav1234

how the fug. I'm not giving that poo clicks. there were no reaches, yes we had few picks, but we made the right selection in the top 10 and got a QB many had a first round grade on in the 3rd... what weird poo.

I like him. Definitely easy to root for.

I can see that. Dalton had a stretch where he was far from just a backup. But he was never good enough to push that team over the hump. I think Pickett's ceiling is higher than Dalton's but I suck at evaluating talent, especially QBs. lol

I don't know, I still think Pickett is probably much better than a #2, I just don't think he's someone that really carries a team. I don't see him as ever in the conversation for one of the top 5 guys in the league - and that is the kind of player I wanted as our QB. One thing I'll say... he did hit probably one of the best possible places to fall, all things considered. Willis, I really liked his potential, but... well, surprise, I'm not an NFL talent evaluator for a reason, lol.

right. what has Rhule shown as at all in his 2 seasons? Yes, they get good seasons occasionally off of cast-aways (love Luvu), but the team itself has looked largely the same in both years: fast start, gets figured out, terrible losing slide where coaching staff looks completely overmatched. The defense has been smoke and mirrors, but maybe could be more steady this year (skeptical face)... the offense, though... lol. meh. We'll see. Hopefully you and I are wrong about Rhule.

Not upset at all. Was interesting to see how the draft shook out after all the speculation about multiple QBs going *before* we picked, haha. QB is still our biggest need but its not like I trust this shitshow of a coach to be capable of developing one, so I'm glad we got an OT that could in theory anchor the left side for a decade to come.

Although I think Willis has the higher potential, I don't mind Pickett, and frankly after Tepper's comments I really don't even care what we do in the draft anymore.

the draft often feels like a crapshoot, but this measure appears completely worthless.

That is a bigger concern of mine, too. I'm petrified we're going to wake up to a big Jimmy G trade... I'd rather have a rookie, ANY rookie... McAdoo may be able to work with whatever rookie we draft, frankly, but I don't think it'll matter overall to saving Rhule. This team is not a QB away from competing, regardless.

Yes. For a QB with a sky-high ceiling, you swing on it when you can. If you miss, you reload. If you don't have a QB, you don't compete in this league, and we can't seem to get a QB to come here any other way.

yeah it isn't easy to track down college stats beyond TD/INTs, tbh. sokay. I suck at QB evaluation and am fine admitting that, lol.

Honestly its possible that the other fumble numbers are right but something doesn't add up. Because of the discrepancy I'd done some digging and had trouble finding anything definitive. Season by season breakdown, under Fox Sports' college football stats (for rushing) shows 26 total, which matches up to me with the 26 we see talked about elsewhere. https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/kenny-pickett-player-stats?category=rushing&seasonType=reg https://www.si.com/college/pittsburgh/news/pitt-kenny-pickett-hand-size-nfl-combine#:~:text=Pickett's hand size remains one,correlating to the smaller size. The 3 lines up with what the Fox Sports thing has...

I think Pickett's ceiling is significantly higher than Jones' because of athleticism. I also think his arm strength is better but that's hard to evaluate (the relative difference in skill of the people they were throwing to and playing against makes it really hard for me to judge what I've seen of either of them LOL) Anyway these are their RAS profiles.. Kenny Pickett:

Ehh, I've seen Pickett going in the top ten to other teams (like Atlanta) and to the Saints if he falls. Pickett is being scouted pretty heavily by other QB hungry teams, but his comparatively low ceiling I think means he's unlikely to go in the very top of the first unless we make the move. But I've consistently been wrong about QBs, so perhaps I'll be wrong here. He's significantly better than a third rounder. Honestly. The thing with him is that his elite traits are accuracy and anticipation (hence the comments about not having anything that isn't coachable), and he's just good to great in every other category. So he's a good prospect, but not the kind of guy that, even if he pans out, you expect to become one of the top 3 QBs in the NFL. I think folks believe Willis, however, has that kind of ceiling. OTOH, Pickett is likely to be, at worst, a very good backup. Willis has a lower floor than that. Who wants to spend #6 on a potential backup? Well, the Panthers. Haha.

I just don't think his (Pickett's) ceiling is high enough to take him where we are likely to be drafting a QB. That's why I prefer Willis overall ... although man, his accuracy in actual games is not good. Even in the Senior Bowl, in the actual game, he just didn't connect with anyone... compared to some other prospects that had quite decent or good games.

52 games (not starts - he didn't start every game his first year), 32 ints in 1674 passing attempts. ~1.9% interception rate would put him in good company in the NFL (for comparison, Darnold is at 3.2% on his career). In terms of fumbles, its impossible he had 26 fumbles lost unless the stats available online are wrong (possible, I suppose). Numbers available show 26 total fumbles, 10 lost.

The fumble numbers are wrong, and have no context (that is, his numbers are no different from other QBs with larger hands, lol). Most numbers I've seen show 26 total fumbles and 10 lost (5 in his first full year as a starter, only 2 last year). Some have said the 26 total is from rushing, 38 is total. If this is true, it is *impossible* he lost 26 fumbles, hahaha. In this interpretation of those numbers, he lost only 10 rushing and this would mean he somehow lost 16 fumbles while passing despite only fumbling 12 times from the pocket/while passing.

I'm having trouble placing what all these QBs have in common...

what do you think it'd cost for whatever team it is to take Rhule too?

i'm 12 hours late but man am I glad you posted this.

I love Cam but I just don't see why he should come back, either on his side or the teams... I'd like to see him compete for a ring some place... He clearly still has it in the red zone and maybe more with competent coaching and players around him. While he would be a good mentor I think, he just wasn't particularly effective as a starter and so I could see them going in a different direction even if the goal is to mentor a rookie for a few games.

Of all of the top rated prospects, a WR seems to be the least useful. WR at 6 would massively disappoint me.

I would be absolutely confused if we drafted Ridder in the 1st round. Willis I like from an upside potential. If McAdoo likes Pickett then I'm behind him. Hell, I am almost always wrong about QBs especially in the draft, so the fact I don't want Pickett may be a good thing for him if we do draft him

100%. Not sure Cam wants to come back tbh but Willis behind a vet (or lol Darnold) so he can learn. Send it.

Willis oozes potential. It's why I wouldnt mind him in the 1st. Pickett oozes backup-level floor, meh starter ceiling. It's why I don't want him in the first.