mav1234

Lack of versatility clear and his arms are too short. Who takes an IOL top ten?

And yet so many people claim he's stealing RB TDs. So dumb. Our red zone offense was crazy effective with Cam this year... The issue was getting there. The red zone is a place I think we've seen a second QB can work depending on the tempo of the game. If Cam is cool being a backup potentially I hope they bring him back to compete with another veteran FA for the QB spot (or with Darnold). Ofc instead we signed PJ immediately so uh there's that.

I agree 2023 looks brighter than 2022 right now. But we have to hope Rhule and Fitt are being handicapped on what future assets they can trade, or the future gets a lot dimmer.

Current state does enable same offseason future state flexibility tho. We can recover some ground but the point is how far below other teams in our same wins situation we are. Even the scenario you describe doesn't move us very far probably because I suspect it's weighting our first rounder based on where it is, and that is the kind of move other teams could make too. I don't think this is a figure that says "be pessimistic about 2022 no matter what," but it does suggest what we already know just from limited cap space and missing our 2nd and 3rd rounders because we traded for rehab projects. Oh well.

I would say that yes, having a 2nd and 3rd is probably more offseason resources personally, given how malleable the cap is.

The point of the composite score is how difficult flipping that overnight would be. We have very little offseason flexibility. Sure we could mortgage the future to increase draft capital this year, work out some trades to offload players etc... But that's hard to do. We have less room to make moves than many other teams...

there fixed it for you also I deleted the Falcons cause fug Atlanta

oh yeah well now do one that shows our Process Composite Score. bet nobody beats our 1000%

Good teams overcome penalties for sure. It has felt the last few couple seasons like we definitely can't. I think you're right win percentage doesn't tightly correlate with penalties per game or per snap or whatever.

I mean the reason we are ranked where we are is we have among the most turnovers in the NFL per game (tied for 2nd most I believe), and also have a relatively high number of penalties (bottom third of the league). Worth noting we also were pretty bad in takeaways this year, with half as many as some playoff teams.

seems a fitting modification for the other DBO image.

I mean is this a surprise? It took colossal failure and multiple injuries for the LT we drafted to see the field because he also isn't the ideal LT size or whatever. fuging Rhule, man. Dude couldn't help himself. Could just have said we took the player we had rated highest, had to dig himself a fuging hole lol

Cam is still very effective in the redzone, where the need to challenge deep isn't an issue and his evasive ability can turn any play into a TD. Its why every trip we made into the red zone other than 1 by PJ resulted in a TD in Cam's first 5 games. But we struggled to move the ball outside of the redzone. In the last 3 games we had like 8 trips to the redzone and 2 TDs in those trips (we had other TDs outside the redzone).

I think this is not an unusual situation actually for a coach to inherit. Usually teams hiring are hurting in many of those ways. We also do have the 6th overall pick and should have our choice of many options to boost the O.

As players absent contributions exclusive to the Panthers, yes, absolutely. More probowls, 2 all pros, PoY honors, all in fewer seasons.

Cam could play an important role on a championship team, I think. I still think he's deadly in the red zone. And maybe he'd be a decent starter with a good OL and run game ahead of him, too. But I think critically for us and many other teams, he isn't the future at QB, and he can't alone do something like carry us to the post season. I love Cam, and i don't blame him for the shitshow of an offense when he was a starter, but realistically he just didn't look like he could carry an offense. I wanted him as our backup / competing for a starting role this offseason, maybe mentoring a rookie, but instead we signed fuging PJ Walker.

Gilmore is relatively speaking a better player at his position, but the trade was basically a few months rental if he doesn't agree to stay. If he does, it may become the best trade in our history. If he doesn't, you're right that Olsen overall was a better trade. A big part of that was the longevity and quality play Olsen brought to the TE position imo.

Rivera also showed massive improvement the end of year 2, so I get not firing him (tho many on this forum wanted him gone still). The team was also very competitive in most losing games in 2012, at least moreso than this trash heap Jimmy Johnson was a different era and different kind of football.

If Cam even was Rhule ... That would be a positive... But it only happened because of his ineptitude at finding and developing talent at most levels on the team. QB play was atrocious but so were the critical positions around it. He actually seems to get less out of players than one would expect them capable of, just look at DJ. Edit: he did bring in some incredible FA acquisitions on D... But the D is imo still overrated in terms of overall rank. It's way way better than the O for sure, but good healthy opponents took it to town repeatedly.

Personnel decisions were and are atrocious... Waiting until the last week or two to see some rookies at all, UGH... And QB is hard to get right yet somehow Rhule has gotten it so incredibly wrong. The very fact we brought fuging PJ Walker back immediately is mind boggling. We already are bound to Darnold's poo play with his poo contract, why retain another below backup level player???? Favoritism is why. Then the in game "adjustments" if you can call them that... The clock management... Lol... He's just so lost.

I don't want a reactive owner that fires a promising coach after one bad season. But this season as a total shitshow and it isn't like last year was great. It's time to move on. It isn't being reactive. It's examining the lack of progress and realizing this isn't a winning formula.

That's all a matter of perspective... The results of the process aren't always clear in the 3rd quarter but its working 1000%

If that's the pass I think it was I didn't think CJ had bad coverage... Just an incredible route and pass...I may be misremembering tho

I honestly think if the pick traded for him or for Darnold hadnt been the same year it'd be looked at differently... I don't think the trade for CJ was necessarily bad. But I do think he (and Horn) are why Gilmore is important to retain for another year if possible. Our coaches blow but Gilmore does not. He can show them a ton.

They may have also realized telling the world you're moving on from someone hurts limited trade value lol The fact they've already talked a bit about Pickett suggests nobody thinks Darnold is their long term answer. Fitt even talked about they believe in Darnold but are still gonna look at QB in the offseason. Not what you said when you're committed to your starter tbh.