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I mean it depends how bad Bryce plays, I suspect.

Right, there's tons of examples of teams tanking in the last week or two by weird player choices etc. though in yours I think that was just Ron being Ron... But a team isn't doing that with this many games to go.

I think you may be giving some of these couches too much credit - some of them are incredibly, ridiculously stubborn and will continue to do things that aren't working because it's how they think they need to, heh. Daboll wasn't rolling over, he's just got a bad team and he isn't very good, either.

Was it or was it not an intentional fumble?

So you're saying playing a former high draft pick that has had at best mixed success with far more disappointing outings than good ones is tanking, to be clear? Starting which of these QBs is tanking: the one with a QB rating of 66.9 this season or the one with 79.4?

Lol so you think that Daniel Jones trotted out on the field to lose deliberately so the Giants could draft his replacement???

The thing is you can't just trade away every player that is decent. At some point you need a competitive roster even if you're willing to deliberately weaken the team around midseason to try to get a higher pick. That doesn't work if you've got nobody on the roster on the first place. We do need a QB room reset - unless Bryce proves he can be a decent backup the rest of the season. While a high draft pick helps there, we of all teams should realize it's no guarantee. As to deliberately tanking at this point in a season - that's very, very hard. It's much easier with 1-3 games to go, where you bench starters to avoid injuries etc.

I mean his QB rating was 86.4 and his QBR was 58.4, both of which are among his best so far. They're also above average (QBR of ~60 is top 10 in the league across a season). As to his 71.4, a 70 is considered "above average." 80 is "good" and 90 is "elite", 60 being "average." So, do you think that on a game-by-game basis most good teams have 5 elite players? Maybe, but I'd bet that more often than not they've just got one or two and a bunch of 80s. Hubbard, for instance, is the 5th best RB in their run grading at 86.4. But his overall offensive grade is 76.4

Giants have one of the worst rushing D's in the league. Wonder why...

Tua is having all kinds of trouble

He really is not. 99% chance he's at best a back up. But we need players around whomever we do get as QB. If all we do is give up half way thru a season ever year in hopes of improving our draft position, we will more likely than not keep ending up with busts.

He's a sunk cost. Nothing we can do about it. Just more evidence there's no guarantees from having the #1 pick. We're going to need players around our next QB.

This may be hard for some Panthers fans to fathom, but BY is not the only player that matters.

You have to start by beating someone. We 'won' the draft a couple years ago, and what did that do for us? If you can't beat bad teams, you don't beat good ones, either. A QB isn't a player in a vacuum.

His recent stint would be fine for a backup. His play is honestly a lot better, it just isn't translating to huge yardage / scores yet, and might not since he's still pretty meh even at his current best.

I don't know that he actually looks the worst the last two weeks... He's made some very good decisions and throws. I've watched a lot of games and he's been pretty middle of the pack in terms of QB play, and his limiting turnovers has been huge. But it's just two weeks, and while the Giants are a good passing D, NO is not. So let's see what Kingslayer does against the Chiefs...

I don't know why you'd think this. You can absolutely progress as a team by playing against teams that are at the same level as yours. We've got a lot of young guys that need reps, and the fact they're performing is really exciting. Unless you somehow think the #1 pick is worth sacrificing any development etc... as if that pick always works out. And let's be realistic, we're still gonna be picking top 10 when all is said and done.

If we somehow beat the Chiefs with 60 yards passing I'm putting up a Canales statue...

Wanting Bryce to fail and having a hard time believing he will succeed are two very different things...

Sure, but you're talking about two players that have previously carried games for their teams this year.

Technically it is. Honestly he limited mistakes against a decent defense, so good on him. Their pass defense isn't bad at all, their scoring D is in the top 10. Their rushing defense blows, and we took advantage.

If this was Bryce's first year I wouldn't be as down on him - but this isn't. He's got, what, 2 TDs and 300 yards in our 2 wins?? He has had a few nice drives and throws in that time that inspire hope, so we'll see...

He probably will get credit for a GWD in OT tho lol.

All of them. The Kingslayer is locked and loaded. But in all seriousness we could get a couple more wins. If the defense continues to generate turnovers, we can win off of a run-first offense. We won't win a shoot out, but our division is pretty crappy and realistically we could beat any of our division opponents. Dallas and Arizona are possible. I don't see us beating KC or Philly, but I didn't see us winning even another game before NO, so...

It seems that the story of the day was really turnovers (which are sometimes mistakes, sometimes just great plays)