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They don't care. There's a difference between intentionally trying to lose for draft position (tanking) and being so awful your entire team stops trying to win.

McCarthy is thinking playoffs somehow I think, lol

For sure. I think Burns on an already very good defense would be a really exciting player. But he's just not consistent enough, especially in the run game. A good enough D could make up for that a little... In an average or bad D he's just a liability on a lot of plays.

My suspicion is that he'll be more consistent as an overall player but have fewer splash plays.

To me, tanking is deliberately losing for draft position. That isn't what appears to be happening - Daboll knows he's about to lose his job and his players just don't give a poo lol

Everyone quitting is not tanking, lol.

They're just this bad. Daboll is fuging atrocious and the team is abysmal. Dabolls job is on the line... They've quit. This isn't even tanking, they just have no talent left... Their best player may be Brian Burns and we all remember how that goes lol.

Watching Giants players just throw themselves in the vicinity of a rusher and not even try to tackle. Lol

The Giants games are an interesting comparison for sure. We could compare the Chiefs vs the Bucs as well, since at least both teams are largely the same as they are now, rather than the Giants whose coach lost his mind after losing to us. 30-24 KC in overtime. Hunt had 106 yards and Mahomes had 291. Baker threw for 200 yards, but 2 TDs. Their leading rusher had 25 yards or something. Our offense outperformed what the Bucs did vs KC, but being a division game we won't have the benefit of being overlooked. If our D plays how it did in the 4th quarter I think we can get some stops. Can Bryce carry a second game? I'd rather not find out and have Chuba carry the load, but we'll see.

Veteran backup over like a 6 year career on a team expected to compete in the playoffs vs a 2nd year dude on a team expected to have the first draft pick next year and you're comparing wins and losses lol. Anyway, in his last 4 starts BY has more TDs, more yards passing, and a higher completion percentage than Rush. I wouldn't bet much on either of them ATM though lol. Unless they're playing the Giants...

I'm not surprised to see that relative ranking after watching other teams this year a lot. Passing is way down. I wonder if @Icege (I think you had the more thorough pff breakdown, sorry if not) has access to what they're calling the big time throws

The average number of passing TDs is less than two per game (1.4).. So his passing TDs was average that game, but the offense he lead scored 5 more points than the league average and the Bills were the only team to score more points vs the Chiefs this year. The performance just wasn't average overall, but it was just one game.

Cooper Rush is a veteran backup, isn't he? He's not comparable to BY... And anyway, Washington has a pretty meh defense this year. Still a good game. HOU, well, that was on 55 attempts, lol. Couple of decent games from him. We'll get to see him soon lol

260 yards is not a median level of production this year. The average per game is 216 passing yards and the Bengals are the only team in the NFL with more than 260 passing yards per game (262). I'm not going to bother calculating the median because it definitely won't be 260. It's fine to temper expectations as 260 yards is still just from one game, but let's not pretend it is just median production.

I do think it's best not to get excited - as you highlight, we've seen great games here and there from otherwise mediocre QBs. But, it's also important to remember the context. That was one of CMC's many combined 100+ yard games for us (close to 150 with 2 total TDs if I recall). While a lot of us acknowledge TB was a decent veteran but not the answer, the point was he WAS a veteran and by the end of that season we knew his ceiling. The hope with Bryce is he continues to grow. Worth taking a look at how different the passing charts are, too... All but 8 throws basically within 5 yards of the LoS. 8 throws beyond 10 yards, and with 49 attempts! vs Only 4 of BY's throws were behind the LoS, Nearly half his passes were beyond 10 yards. Just a very different depth of target selection. Bryce was threatening all over the field. Fwiw, Bryce's TD % this year is pretty close to Teddy's that year - but that's including the two terrible games he started. Over the last 4 games, he's above it, so let's see if he can keep that up.

I think a big difference between players and fans is that we're most impressed by those crazy passes that seem thrown like missiles for 30 yards down the field. BY can't really do that... Instead, he throws with anticipation, where he's throwing the ball before a receiver is anywhere near where the route finishes (this alone isn't that uncommon). But when and how he does that is really impressive I think, and what a lot of former players are commenting on. With that kind of passing you have to be decisive, which he finally has been the last few games.

I would have loved to get more from Diontae but it was clear he was done here.

A big reason a lot of former players are so impressed by his throws is the anticipation under pressure. That's not always the easiest to see for fans watching the games. But also, fans are mostly fixated on what he doesn't do and his numbers. A lot of us do admit it was a great game, just aren't sold on him overall yet. I still firmly believe Cam has made us all judge young QBs a little differently...

Didn't expect that so soon. I feel like we'd heard he was still a bit soft spoken to his teammates. Good for him.

I'm still rooting for Baby GOAT Kyle Allen Edit: in all seriousness I may have been the last Matt Moore Stan on this board... I remember when we had some friend/relative/whatever of his constantly posting about him lol

His best chance at a huge contract next year was being fed the ball on this team. But maybe he's chasing a ring, in which case he has a shot with the Ravens...

I think a lot of people that are saying stuff like "JAG" and "typical game" or something really are not watching the actual plays or understanding the tempo of the game. IT IS JUST ONE GAME. So I'm not sold on him yet. But it was a very good one. We put the game squarely on his shoulders. He stood in the pocket, got leveled while delivering balls 15-20 yards down field. This wasn't just a typical NFL QB game and it was well above JAG level. I strongly suggest folks watch some of the throw breakdowns that are out there (like on QB School, if you want) if you didn't see the whole game. But the real question is, can he do it week after week? Can this be his normal, rather than his exceptional?

The issue is the formula is secret, and it incorporates runs... So... Yup, it does. Same with PFF (which isn't quite as secret). But when it doesn't - like on Sunday - it's often to hilarious results. PFF is more reliable I think at matching my 'eye' test.

He definitely had a great game. Not crowning him yet, tho. Hilariously, this was his worst of the last three games based on ESPN's "QBR" - 46.4, while last week was 58.4 and the NO game was 47.3... hahahahaha.

GB was a terrible pass defense, too, if I recall. KC is not at all, tho they are stronger against the run. Young not only kept us in the game but tied it up at the end. If he and the O figure the red zone out, we'll be a scary opponent.