mav1234

Never seen that before

I hope he makes a full recovery and can contribute on the field... I think that is ultimately unlikely though.

LOL Mahomes You're a troll. You have to be.

Completion percentage depends on the offense and type of QB. So no I don't care about a raw comparison lol. If you don't know what I mean by that I don't know what to tell you. As to Baker, this is the second time you've ignored me and claimed I didn't say something when I did. I'm going to just stop r spending to that crap soon but on the possibility you are just missing these things in good faith - "Baker Mayfield is 11th in QBR, 14th in yards despite the TON of injuries that offense has had, 10th in QB rushing yards, 12th in TDs (and above the average in TD% lol), 25th in INTs (league average would be something like 16th). So yes, he's quite a bit ahead of the average in many categories." Rushing yards by a QB DO matter. You'd think Panthers fans would know that. Some of Bryce's best plays have come when he uses his legs too, and some of that IS yards on the ground. And the reality is that Tampa has had crazy injury issues and if you look at Bakers career he is unquestionably more successful than Bryce and above average at that. This year his top 3 WRs have all missed considerable time and whose best player on offense hasn't played almost all year...

Absolutely over a decade there are fewer yards thrown per game. I was mostly responding to the OP about shifting priorities for teams and how the stability in recent times and continued emphasis on QB makes that seem unlikely to me.

You aren't worried about rushing numbers and I'm not worried about completion percentages... Mayfield is a kind of QB that will always have a lower completion percentage. Mayfield is also not a superstar, but he's good, and he also had had an offense that was completely ravaged by injuries this year. Over Mayfield's career, he has a 95.4, 94.2, and 83.1 QB rating on 1st, 2nd, 3rd down. This year he's at 88.9, 106.6, 87.3. Bryce's career he is 88, 72.5, 75.7 on 1st/2nd/3rd; this year he's 94.4, 80.1, 73.4 Stats are relatively useless but when a player is below average in virtually everything, it tells you a lot about their general performance. I am still holding out hope he improves but you sound like you'd be content with 2025 Bryce playing for us for the next decade. He is clutch on 4th, meh on other downs, but yeah he has a great TD%. I hope he improves, but I am getting skeptical. He is so inconsistent.

That's true, but last year was only 1 yard less than 2022 / 2023 basically (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm )... This year may bounce up - the average this week was above the 212. We'll see though.

No, it is. The article claims that 2022 had YPG of 228. That is incorrect. See https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/index.htm , 2022 average yards 218 (well 218.5), https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/index.htm 2021 average yards 228. 2024 was the mid season number, which went up later in the season.

The article unfortunately has incorrect numbers. See https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/index.htm, 2022 average yards 218 (well 218.5), https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/index.htm 2021 average yards 228. So we went from 218 in 2022, to 219 in 2023, to 217 in 2024, to ?? in 2025. My point was that is hardly a drop off over that duration / the last few years... So yes, long term decline, but in the recent time we've not really lost many yards per game.. We will see how this year finishes out. With Burrow back, he alone may elevate those averages lol. As to QBs throwing for yards, of the 6 starters that are throwing for more than 250 yards per game, they are a combined 48-26-1, so I'd argue that 250 yards in the air per game gives you a real good chance. In contrast, starting QBs averaging less than 200 are all on losing teams - other than Aaron Rodgers and Bryce Young.

I didn't fail to bring up Caleb Williams, re-read my post. I said he's an unknown. He's a 2nd year starter on a team winning games, but are they winning because of him? Hard to say, but he is contributing. Baker Mayfield is 11th in QBR, 14th in yards despite the TON of injuries that offense has had, 10th in QB rushing yards, 12th in TDs (and above the average in TD% lol), 25th in INTs (league average would be something like 16th). So yes, he's quite a bit ahead of the average in many categories. Bryce is only ahead of the average in specific situational stats (4th down, GWD, 4QCB) and in TDs. And yes, he's done well on 4th down, but in contrast his 2nd and 3rd down passing rating is awful. Meanwhile, nearly every other player you listed is ahead of the average in multiple categories. Also, on their careers, Mahomes is still ahead of Bryce in 4th quarter passer rating (108 vs 105). But Bryce is great there. Of course Mahomes is phenomenal on every down, but Bryce doesn't need to be Mahomes. I just hope he finds his way to being a better QB for us.

basically forced himself to go for it on the second fourth down because of that first one

Stroud with an incredible play to avoid a sack and deliver the ball down field

Haha it's easier than just listing stats across years. I also just realized that ESPN article is off by a year. See https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/index.htm, 2022 average yards 218 (well 218.5), https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/index.htm 2021 average yards 228

I get that Stroud is being destroyed every drop back, but the rushing game is doing absolutely nothing, yet they keep trying it.

Man Mahomes with the pick... Texans offense needs to wake the fug up

1) This article is from the middle of the 2024 season. There was no season that ended with 202.8 YPG. By the end of the season, passing numbers had bounced up to 217. We shared those numbers here a few times. The fact that from Oct to end of season numbers went up by ~14 yards suggests we'll see a bounce up this year too. 2) The article you're referencing is from 2016 onwards... My numbers were not, just last few years. That's the time period we're talking about. 3) There is DEFINITELY a long term trend down. My comment was regarding it is unlikely I see teams changing strategies with regards to QBs because the numbers have been pretty consistent for the last 4 years.

Decided to look at the BIG drop off was 2021 -> 2022... I do remember people saying the same thing last year, I think that the last few games some players had tons of yards and pulled the average up. We'll see if that happens again

He's not looking good in the 2nd half

Cam Ward is a rookie, Jayden Daniels has been injured all year, Penix has missed several weeks, Baker Mayfield is way above the average in a bunch of league stats, Bo Nix is top third in a bunch of them, Trevor Lawrence and Michael Penix are probably average NFL starters and their teams may indeed move on from them, and Caleb Williams is still unknown 2 years in. Cam Ward is the only one of those that is basically worse than Bryce in every stat (other than Y/G, lol, where he is barely ahead). So again which stats is Bryce at / above the league average? I know which he is, do you?

In general, the passing yards per game among the leaders and for average have been pretty consistent... Last year Burrows had an insane 290 passing yards per game - Goff had 272 and Mayfield had 265 (top 3 avg is 275). In 2023, CJ Stroud had the most per game at 274, then Tua at 272, and Goff at 270 (top 3 avg is 272). This year, we have Dak at 280 per game, then Mahomes at 270, and May at 263 (top 3 avg is 271). So, a bit less than last year, but not that much and quite similar to 2023 so far.

I mean if you have to go back 5 years to make your point, I'm not sure it really suggests there will be much difference in how teams handle the QB position etc since they really haven't in that time. There has been a long-term trend where passing yards have gone down, but things have been pretty darn stable the last 3 years

so uh, which statistics is he actually at and above average? it sounds like he's below average in everything, which is what CRA was saying.

I dunno, we're talking 217 vs 212 yards, 7.1 vs 7.0 YPA, 92.3 QB rating vs 91.9, and QBs are actually throwing more TDs by percentage this year (4.7 this year vs 4.5 last).

Passing offenses are only averaging a few yards less this year than last, and I think that passing numbers trend up towards the end of the year, so we'll probably end up in a similar space. What I do think is different is that star QBs clearly aren't enough to carry teams right now.

Fingers crossed that Bryce's dome magic continues