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Tbh it was one of the high points of my Panthers fandom the last few years to see that kind of energy and confidence from a QB... I may not want to see him anymore but that pass was great.

Ugh come on I don't mind AI entirely but can we not just use it to randomly respond to posters.

Oh I don't want him here. I'd just rather watch his brand of football than Bryce's. I'd rather watch a competent QB over either.

I get that. Winning cures all, and shitty play is hard to watch. What I find difficult is he never feels like a threat - anything he does down field feels astonishing. When I watch Fields I find him frustrating because of how ineffective he can be but there are moments I just know he can break out a huge run or deliver an on target bomb 30 yards down field.

I don't know - perhaps it's because I've never needed to root for his team's, but I find him more entertaining as at least he can threaten every level of the field.

I do think with Fields you must include his rushing, where he has averaged 800 yards per season over 17 games. So he'd be at 3400 yards total in a season. Bryce in comparison is at 2900 yards passing plus 250 yards rushing so just a bit under Fields. Still not even impressive numbers for either of them. I personally found Fields more fun to watch l but I wouldn't choose either of them anymore.

I get this but I also think we'll never know exactly how Lance would have looked developing with Shanahan, longer term - he didn't look atrocious in his couple starts a few years ago for him, but he also was clearly a worse option. He was very raw. He's still only 25, and it does seem lately some of these guys right their career older than they used to. I doubt he is the answer but I am of the mind we still knock on every door as it were at least scouting wise (I know we're all good at scouting QBs, heh)

It seems unlikely we even end with a winning record at this point, and to do so, we definitely need to win this game.

Regardless of how tall any of them actually are based on past measures, Stroud looks ~2-4 inches taller than Brees (Stroud isn't standing up straight so hard to say exactly) who looks 1-3 ( hair makes it hard to be sure) inches taller than Bryce. If Bryce is 5'10" Brees looks 6'. Maybe just, but still.

There is some of that but honestly last draft was pretty good. I don't think we can evaluate him on QBs as long as Bryce Young is around. Somehow the guy captured the Teppers attention and the Panthers are those twos personal Madden experience, at least with a QB.

I'm not sure if you heard but we are the 5th best big time throws team according to pff.

I mean if he throws too many picks, just run it. The threat of the deep ball will be more effective at opening up the run game than the threat of the 5 yard hail mary.

There is something quite similar though about the losses to the Cardinals and Saints. The blowouts tell me something different - I think the team losses confidence against complete teams rapidly. That is a coaching aspect, but also young players. Tbh, I can live with that for now if they beat the teams they're supposed to and give a good fight in other games (as they did). But the Cardinals and Saints games were stories of the offense either giving the game away or being unable to do ... Well, anything. While that is on Canales, too, both those games also featured standout (or truthfully standard) performances from our QB early and sometimes across the entire game. I do think it's hard to evaluate Canales when he has a QB that can't or won't execute an NFL offense for huge stretches or entire games. But there are signs of concern. Still, the very fact we had a win streak being a predictable as we were indicates the team has come along. And most of the team showed up vs the Saints, and I really think it's clear that was an incredibly winnable game with a different QB.

I think canales and a lot of folks thought Bryce had turned the corner after the benching. It looked like it in many ways, and I don't honestly blame.them for thinking that... But it was a huge roster building blunder to not at least bring in a decent backup. Even if Bryce hadnt regressed, if he ended up injured, we were left with Andy Dalton... They had to know he doesn't have it anymore from seeing him practicing.

By the time Cams bad games came he had awesome games first for extended time.

Decided to look into BTJs struggles... From earlier this year: "Now, we've all seen the term "hospital ball" get thrown around concerning Thomas Jr. and his QB Trevor Lawrence. Let's get one thing clear: not every in-breaking route is a hospital ball. Tough catches over the middle are going to happen for even the best receivers in the NFL, they're going to get hit on digs and over routes, especially with NFL defenses playing more aggressive quarters coverage with the safety driving on dig routes hard." https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sophomore-slump-or-worse-whats-going-on-with-jaguars-brian-thomas-jr-and-cardinals-marvin-harrison-jr/ Talks about him breaking off routes mid field too.

I feel like people assume risk-averse QBs with weak arms are great for a WCO...

So the advanced metrics are saying Bryce is doing really well throwing deep, with his vaunted big time throw metric at 5th in the league and his adjusted completion percentage somehow at 7th (that's some big adjustment). And people wonder why advanced metrics get questioned. We aren't throwing deep because Bryce doesn't take the opportunities. He is struggling with his reads. Other advanced stats show that, so...

Absolutely. Despite the turnovers and the terrible slips we only gave up 17. If the offense could have mustered a single productive drive after the start of the game ...

Er... The defense that gave up 17 total points, despite two turnovers from the O and Horn falling twice (to give up 14 points?). They weren't great but good enough to win. Some of the guys on d may have thought they'd arrived but honestly I think the O was the problem. Bryce just can't make the ball.

Persuasive argument there

Ahhh okay that makes more sense. Sophomore slumps happen but this was clearly much more.

Holy crap you aren't kidding. 15% drop rate, only a 50% catch rate. What's going on with him? Approximately the same targets per game but a huge drop in production... I haven't really paid any attention but that's an insane drop off.

This is just completely damning. And it matches the eye test. He had a few game stretch last year where he was pushing the ball down field effectively. There was little to no pressure, though. And defenses got the tape and figured it out. Bryce is now being baited into ridiculously easy to see interceptions. He struggles past his first read. His strength is backyard football but his balls often take so long to arrive defenders have time to recover. He just isn't it. Maybe someday he finds some mojo as a backup and emerges again but I'm skeptical.