mav1234

Not really, Brady was the main starter https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tom-brady-1/gamelog/ https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/drew-henson-1/gamelog/

I don't think we're coddling him but I do think we went into the season overconfident in him and his ability to never get injured at all. We definitely need a better QB room next year.

Just like you could find random idiots (racists usually but ... ) that thought Derek Anderson should start over cam, you can find any number of stupid takes. That post was in a thread by a poster that does not have such takes, which had other non stupid posters that are all considered not to be fans of Bryce. So do you think it's unreasonable to assume that post was about the posters in this thread? I think you're being overly charitable in your interpretation is all. Anyway this isn't really going anywhere... You and I mostly agree honestly about Bryce (as do most of the so-called haters).

I mean the post quite clearly stated that we expect a QB to be an all time great and expect them to be easily attainable and neither of those things are true of those of us skeptical of Bryce's ability to put it together. I don't think I'm conflating my opinion with others save the multitude of posters (many of whom are posting in this thread) that are wanting to move on from Bryce. Many of the options thrown out are absolutely not that level.

All of this sounds funny until you look at Love's numbers and passing charts... The people who are unhappy with Bryce generally are harping on wanting the kind of passes love is throwing. Half his passes were 10 yards or longer and almost a third more than 20 yards. I do think that broadly some fans do not realize just how down passing is. The pendulum is swinging to a different type of game. But Bryce is still waaaaay under expectations even considering that. However he's had some great games in the last couple weeks (and one huge stinker) so hopefully he's gonna be able to put it together for a playoff push.

You sure give a lot of room to certain posters hyperbole and not others, lol. You are reading a ton into a post to excuse a poster that posted the exact thing you said you hadn't seen. I don't care what motivates the guy to think "the haters" won't be happy unless we have a superstar when were talking about teams actual cast offs to start next year as options. There's virtually no one suggesting we rank right now (the other assertion in that post). I don't think it's worth diving in to all of the rest but I will say that virtually none of us are expecting whomever is our QB to be Cam or Mahomes but we'd like them to be consistently good and not consistently hurt the team... And... CJ Stroud compared to Cam? One of his knocks was that he hardly ever was willing to run. And he's not built anything like him.

Yes in fact in this thread on page 3, someone said some of us won't be happy unless we have Mahomes or Cam... My point by bringing up stats is actually that most of us DON'T care about having a QB that is throwing tons of yards, we care about having a QB that can move the ball, but Bryce is unable to do anything consistently. I'm glad you agree we should move on from Bryce - I also don't care about stats specifically but I think they give context to just how inconsistent he's been, which imo does matter.

Go ahead and name the posters that expect Bryce to be Mahomes or Cam. It's more his most ardent fans that bring them up. The reason we "quote stats" is because people insist we want HoF level play, when we just want a consistent, competitive offense, and that relies on decent QB play. The vast majority of "haters" just hate bad QB play. There are some people that have become far too nitpicky but when we're three seasons in and he's still this inconsistent, I don't entirely blame them. Anyway I hope Bryce continues to improve.

As much as I'd love Cam or Mahomes I'd also settle for a QB that is at least better than average at something other than 4th quarter comebacks/game winning drives. He's literally bottom third in the league in most categories (yards, completion percentage, int percentage/turnovers, YPA, IAYPA, QBR and QB rating) and right around average in a couple others, notably TD % where he is 15th and YAC/PA where he is 9th. If Bryce can improve I'll be happy with him. But all this stuff about us asking for perfection / insane ability is a bit ridiculous. Most of us "haters" just see a QB that is basically below average over his career to date and has shown relatively little consistency in his third year. NFL offenses don't need 400 yards every week at all, but they do require a QB that can move the ball, and Bryce struggles often with that (hence why our overall offensive rank is so bad despite an overall good rushing rank).

I think what's been useful about PFF rankings on a weekly basis is to see how certain members of the defensive backfield perform according to them. I find it hard to judge Nick Scott and some of the others the last few weeks, though he's had some plays, so these scores are helpful there. Though when Derrick Brown doesn't show up at all it's a head scratcher. I know week to week is irrelevant but he had a monster game by most accounts.

I think PFF forgot to grade Derrick Brown.

Didn't see this posted but figured it's a source we all love to hate, so... If I just missed it feel free to delete, mods. Best of the offense 1. WR Jalen Coker: 86.5 2. QB Bryce Young: 83.3 3. RB Chuba Hubbard: 82.2 4. C Austin Corbett: 73.1 5. RT Taylor Moton: 71.9 Best of the defense 1. CB Mike Jackson: 75.0 2. S Nick Scott: 67.6 3. S Demani Richardson: 65.9 4. OLB D.J. Wonnum: 62.8 5. CB Chau Smith-Wade: 57.2 Worst of the defense 11. DL Bobby Brown III: 42.9 12. OLB Nic Scourton: 39.0 13. DL Tershawn Wharton: 35.6 14. ILB Krys Barnes: 35.3 15. DL LaBryan Ray: 34.2 Worst of the offense 12. WR Brycen Tremayne: 56.7 13. RG Jake Curhan: 56.3 14. WR Xavier Legette: 52.3 15. TE Tommy Tremble: 49.2 16. TE Ja'Tavion Sanders: 48.0 From: https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/panthers/2025/12/01/panthers-pff-grades-week-13-rams/87546398007/

He's... Averaging over 200 yards a game?! How is that possible?!

There's no reason to pick the option up mid season, is there?

He only completed two passes of considerably more than 10 yards. But he had 3 at 9-11 yards

I'm happy for Bryce that he was nominated and it was a good game by him with some great throws. Always love to see Panthers nominated for and winning accolades and I don't see why a fan would really be annoyed he was. It's irrelevant to anything meaningful but it's nice for the player and team all the same.

Oh I agree with having a real one, I'm just always hesitant to declare a rookie at the level of future HoFers, especially given the circumstances on all three of those teams. Still TMac is fuging great. Every game too it feels like we have missed opportunities to him that if the passing game gets cleaned up... He can be even more productive

By no means do I think he's Jefferson quality but he is putting up 31% of our passing yards, which is only 2% less than Jefferson did his rookie year for the Vikings. And he's got 6 of our 19 passing TDs (vs 7 of 35 over a full year). I don't think he's quite that good but I'd love to see him with consistent competent QB play.

I mean... I haven't even looked at our roster lately but I doubt he sees the field offense given Coker's return. Still, it's undeniable he had chemistry with Bryce and at this point if we somehow have the room I'd take him back over Renfrow, who Bryce just hasn't been able to connect with.

This is a really weird thread to make when we have abundant examples of Bryce missing routine throws to the flat. He's made some good throws but there's a reason he is bottom of the league thru his career in YPA and YPG. Happy for him yesterday and really hope he builds on it!

I feel like they had Corum and he slipped out, meanwhile a safety (Scott?) seemed to jump on our linemen and drive them back instead of contacting the ball carrier. Would need to see another replay but I remember thinking something like that live.

Lol the Vikings

Big props to Bryce today - this was the kind of game winning drive that could define a season. He made plays all game.

Players stepped the fug up. That and Derrick Brown.

I keep saying, he isn't perfect but how many of us were desperate for a coach that knew he couldn't just settle for field goals? And his schemes are pretty fuging solid... We just need a QB that can execute consistently (and props to Bryce for being that today)