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Neither did Mayfield.

It's been a long 24 hours...

The only reason the trade makes sense at all is because Rhule is desperate to save his job. We've had enough retreads...

What the fug

Definitely... But if the long term plan is BC at guard and Icky at tackle, I hope that is worked in to the season somehow. I won't begrudge decisions on where rookies start early in the season, but I just would like us to get the guys experience where we expect them to play long term.

I'll be honest, I prefer the headline "trade for Mayfield might happen today" to "the trade for Mayfield happened today"...

The endzone issue is as much a whole offense issue as a DJ issue. He's part of that, but the bigger issue is who is calling plays and throwing him the ball... I think he can and will improve, too. I also think his contract won't look so big next year compared to new deals... We will see though. I could be wrong.

DJ has ups and downs per game or within games, but has produced 3 consecutive 1200 yard-from-scrimmage seasons, all with the worst stretch of QBs in the NFL throwing to him. He isn't underwhelming imo, the players throwing to him have been. Hell his best chance to be explosive was when Kyle fuging Allen was throwing him the ball... I still remember Teddy missing him wide open on game winning drives lol.

If the coaches suck so bad that Mayfield ruins young player development with whatever drama be brings, the young players were fuged anyway. I'm hoping these new assistant coaches help there anyway, and Mayfield will have a ton to prove here I think. As long as we don't give up future assets, fine with me. I'd rather have someone that we'd expect to be a better mentor, but then we wouldn't have a guy with a higher ceiling (Jimmy G VA Baker M I suppose).

I don't have high hopes for BC either (or anyone raw that is coached by rhule), but at least we do have improved coaching on the OL overall that could see some benefits. I'd be happy with "excellent depth" but think he could be better than that. Just hard to get hopes up for any young player on this team...

Appreciate the tweets and news shared, thanks all.

We thinking from 32nd to... What, 25th? 22nd maybe? As bad as he was, much better isn't really saying much.

Rivera wasn't the coach to push us over the top but he was a decent coach overall. At least he would reliably have one side of the ball ready for games, ugh. Rhule is wildly in over his head and I don't know how he's tricked Tepper or others into thinking otherwise...

if his heart isn't in it - retire. No reason to put your body & mind on the line. Or take a roster spot from someone that will contribute.

Realistically or hypothetically?

Mayfield is a massive upgrade over what we have right this moment, but I really hope we keep playing hardball. I don't even know if he would be helpful to Corral/any young QB's development - hard to evaluate what kind of teammate he is. And ideally we have some idea of what we have with the young signal caller heading into next draft, which I feel like will be hard to do if you give Rhule a veteran with some (albeit apparently limited) talent.

That would be bittersweet - I am hoping he can find a way to get a ring.

Ahh okay, thanks for clarifying.

I was wondering about that, but if it is about a QB, would that make sense?

so no to Cam then... I suppose this doesn't exclude a trade, right?

yeah for sure. He had his opportunities, even if he wasn't helped. I don't think he has a future as a franchise leader, which is all, ultimately, that matters. FWIW, his USC coaches were decent so it makes sense he'd have had success there. But I just don't think he was helped at NYJ or here. I still think he would have found a way to succeed, or at least show us much more, if he was going to. He just doesn't have it. edit: also good bit of research there. I think it does make clear how fuging terrible his NFL coaching has been, hahaha. Certainly good college coaching, and maybe that's the only reason he looked good in college.

Yeah I agree with basically all that. Hard to say if he loves the game - he is supposedly a good teammate, puts in the time, and does care about his play... its just the reality that doesn't always translate for people. But consistency?? It just isn't there for him in the pros. It is disappointing because even last season we'd see glimpses, but that just isn't enough. Frankly I think he hasn't ever had good coaching and I think its just too late for him now. He's done. Too much garbage between his ears, can't get out of his own way. The times he plays best are those magic moments where he's reacting, instead of thinking. That's not great tbh, and he just sucks when he has time because he can't read coverage for crap anymore. I don't like talking poorly about any Panthers players, but I'm honestly glad we have some other option than Darnold and PJ.

I dunno man, Darnold to me seems like a guy that just didn't transition and develop as people hoped. He was a fine college prospect, he has the physical tools. But he just never made that jump. Its hard to know if a guy will or not, and he wasn't the only QB from that class to massively disappoint. Darnold was the same guy he was in college, but plenty of guys develop / are coached up to be much better. That's what you count on when you draft someone - them developing to a ceiling, vs sitting where they are. I agree though with the second half - luckily we didn't really reach for a QB ... now, we go into this season with a vastly improved OL, a lot of excitement over a young QB prospect, and (imo most importantly, since I'm not high on Rhule) having both our first and second rounders.

what has he done to suggest he can be a good coach? It seems that once other teams have film on our players, our schemes fall apart, which tells me he's not a very good coach. I don't think I've seen a successful adjustment after the half at all, on any side of the ball, and our players frequently looked out of position. but sure, what if... then Tepper looks smarter than me. Of course, maybe whomever he hired instead would have been even better? who knows!