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I'd be fine with him. I suppose it depends how often a coordinator calls plays, what role they have in the team, etc. It feels unfair to loop them all in with Brady... Especially when these guys we usually are talking about have multiple years of NFL experience

yeaah..... Really disappointed... I think it's more than just our coaches, but I suspect they aren't helping.

Yes for sure... WR has been disappointing to me because I expected more out of that group the last couple seasons... I am hoping our young guys find a way to step up but I'm not holding my breath.

I think for QB, RB, and WR, it is too early to tell, but in general it is very possible we are better at all 4, but only by one or two out of ten in each. QB I think is the easiest one to say we likely are - yes Mayfield is going to be worse on some days than Teddy was good on some days, but the ceiling for Teddy was much lower. I think WR we are too, but that may be me undervaluing Samuel versus thinking we could possibly have a 3rd receive in Smith or Saunders. RB may be worse, hard to tell. TE is a push - still nobody worth mentioning. edit: Baker's worst season is arguably pretty close to Teddy's two best seasons, so I'd say Baker is an upgrade for sure.

I'd like to see all these guys with a competent coaching staff, but I think by the time that happens, it may be too late in some cases. Can't help but feel the longer players are left with Rhule the worse they become.

All of the what ifs, it's just one game, etc stuff ignores that this is Rhule's third season and his teams never look prepared for anything. Wins feel good but unless we change the entire direction of the game in this scenario, I don't feel any better about the season by squeaking a win out against a depleted Browns team.

Won't care until Rhule shows he can coach or he's fired. I think we all know which of those is more likely to occur first

Personnel this long into a HCs tenure can't be divorced from the coach themself. This is the D that Rhule/Snow built...

Not like the Browns only advanced because of penalties. The D has been soft for years. Our coaches on D belong in college...

Personnel can't be blamed 3 years into a head coach. It's scheme. It's fuging scheme. It's Rhule.

Still to be determined with Baker. Teddy best overall Sam had the highest potential... Biggest highs and hope based on early games. Baker looks like I expected a retread to look, bht still very early

They start talking about best teammate (which they say is OBJ btw) at about 52:20 about distracts, rumors, and teammate quality. edit: They really, really make OBJ sound good (and Mayfield as well)

I think the "but it was weird" was in reference to "...but Baker was a good teammate too, you know I hung out with the offense guys too and..." (obviously paraphrased). I don't think he meant it was weird that Baker took him to dinner / was weird himself, but the SITUATION was weird (which seems likely based on Garrett's comments) edit: Yeah, the end he talks about "those relationships" being f'd, and he seems to be referring to the wider team relationships, rather than his with Baker.

Does anyone know where to find more of this interview? Looks like it would have been an interesting one.

Although I was a huge fan of Mayfield's statements in the wake of the Garrett helmet incident, I imagine that earned him no friends in the lockerroom, and the two of them were already rumored to be at odds. Meh.

Realistically Rhule had no interest in developing him so he had an uphill battle with this staff too. I don't think it's crazy to imagine carrying 3 QBs in a circumstance where we draft one high in the first next year, though. If (and that's honestly a bigish if) Corral makes off season strides and plays well during camp/preseason he could still make the team and be poised to be the main backup in year 3, regardless of new staff. It's technically possible, but imo incredibly unlikely, the same general idea could allow him to become starter. QBs on cheap contracts have a lot of value, and while Corral is a project now, he'll be much less of one next year. And he will at minimum get a chance to perform in camp / preseason. I think a new coach is likely but Fitterer will likely still be here, so I think Corral will have one advocate still.

3rd round rookies rarely rescue franchises, and some fans seemed to think that was his future here. I'll be happy if he turns into a solid backup. His story isn't written yet but it isn't looking particularly promising all things considered. He'll get another shot to show what he learned next year.

I wonder what the jets can fleece us for this time based around a players college potential...

I mean our head coach seems more interested in what players did in college, too (and particularly where they went to college )

Yeah, for sure. He wwasn't going to play much, if at all, this year. And if he was playing, we were not going to be in a good position. But it undeniably will slow his development. Ah well. He was already a long shot, despite the FO rhetoric.

my point is just these people that think this is a good thing... ugh.

Being on IR isn't sitting on the bench. It isn't even close. He won't get experience in practice etc. At least some elements of the mental game through team meetings may improve but yeah.

Of course they're going to draft a new QB. He'll still get a chance in camp I bet.

He'll get his chance next year with our new coach, but that's because he was a 3rd rounder, not because of whatever grade he had. It wasn't like he showed anything at all this preseason - which probably was on Rhule's shitty player development.

this is not a good thing - as a 3rd rounder he had an uphill battle to even make it as a backup. A significant injury makes that even less likely.