mav1234

No better way for us to end up with a chance at a true franchise QB than to retain Rhule, go OL in the first this year, and start Darnold in all 17 (okay with his injury history it's gonna be more like 12) games next year. Our new coach will have a perfect opportunity to build around a great prospect with a top 5 (maybe even top 3 if Sammy stays healthy) pick in 2023. Alternatively kick Rhule to the curb and find another way... Which is my preference so we don't lose a year of player development.

Ugh man he'll just draft Pickett and start him and run him into the ground... I feel like they can't let this dude decide on a third (fourth? Fifth? Depending on how you count it) qb to try to save his job.

So I see competitive as different from contending. I think we were competitive most of Rivera's tenure in that we could threaten any team on a week to week basis, but only contenders in a couple seasons. The way I see it, with the right coach and QB you can contend often... Even a mediocre coach with a decent roster can keep a team competitive, but you need both the coach AND the QB to go from competitive to contending regularly imo. So for instance a good coach could have made this team competitive, maybe even make the playoffs. But they'll need a star QB to really contend. My one hope is Rhule's ineptitude, if kept for 2022, will grant us an opportunity for such a star QB.

I think this roster, with some good FA and draft acquisitions, can be competitive as it was early this year. Not saying playoffs, but I think we at least could start to build something. Do need a new QB for anything consistent tho, but even a stopgap vet FA (assuming a couple guard upgrades heh) could keep us competitive imo. With a different fuging coaching staff anyway. This one is done.

He was, but he also was in over his head. I think that he'd be good on a staff with tons of NFL experience and ideally with a successful former OC to learn from. But I think this was just too big a jump for him. He'll land on his feet some place I bet. He frequently got plays in too slowly and he seemed totally unable to adjust to anything defenses did in 2 seasons, which was a huge problem. Players were frequently out of position and it was clear we weren't practicing for critical moments like the red zone enough... He failed to take advantage of what we had too. As the team regressed in year 2, coaching seemed to really be at fault. He really relied heavily on a healthy CMC...

Better than Paradis but still not good overall I think... He's not the worst on the OL at least but that isn't saying a ton. It's also hard to tell what is the C vs what is the Gs sometimes. But I'm no OL expert either.

Their play on the field is doing plenty of talking.

Did Miller go to Temple or Baylor or something? The loyalty to the guy is unreal. He's so bad. Giving him a shot was fine but man... Out interior is such a huge problem.

Frankly all our rookies should be getting plenty of play time on Sunday. Need as much film as possible for the next coaching staff to work with.

We do. This roster is not nearly as bad as it's played for the last ~3 months... That's on coaching.

People didn't listen to the clip at all and took a very small piece out of context. That clip was bookended by Sam saying he should have recognized a blitz and on the other end by him saying he isn't playing well enough to win games. And the statement itself was a damn answer to a question about he and Cam suffering behind a bad OL. Cam was brought up in the question...

I keep saying this is on coaching. It's frustrating to see DJ drop passes he can and usually does catch, yes. But when an entire receiving corps is dropping balls left and right, is quitting on routes, looks lost etc... The issue is above the players...

Ahh. Thought it was a shot at rhules amazing roster building moves lol.

Yup... Rhule can't get players to play with passion anymore... But maybe his culture all along is a sort of acceptance and apathy of poor play, I dunno

Rhule also blamed Sam for Williams, it sounds like something he should have recognized and gone to a hot route for. Still, there were other plays that felt like they were on the OL completely...

Bad coaching makes good players look worse too...

Pff thinks 5 sacks were on Darnold. That seems high, but a couple definitely were.

Hes gotten way worse the last 2 years btw. Big down turn. He was much more consistent years 1 and 2... His drop rate basically doubled from year 2 to 3 and 4...

Did you just start paying attention to pressers again once Cam came back? He's said over and over "I need to play better", "I made x mistake", etc. Did you watch the segment btw? The reason Cam's name came up is because the reporter *brought Cam up* in a question, and asked if the OL play was at fault for QBs struggles. Darnold basically rephrased the question and said we aren't playing well enough. This was also just after he took responsibility for not seeing a free rusher lol. And the clip even ended with him saying *he* isn't good enough to win football games.

There were plenty of drops when PJ and Cam were playing tbh. 3 of his 8 came in a 2 game stretch with those two. Chubba has had plenty of drops. Drops were overall worse very early... Robby seemed to play harder for Cam and PJ for one game but he's still been poo overall with or without Darnold ...

Honestly outside the Cardinals game, the offense looks overall similar the last few weeks as the preceding few. Brady wasn't good but he was far from our only problem.

Christensen, who Matt Rhule sees as a guard because of his arm length, is promising. Better coaching and interior line play, and who knows. At a minimum he appears servicable. I'm curious how his run blocking grades were.

The offense is a problem top to bottom, but let's start at the top: the coaches. They're the reason for this shitshow. Let's take WRs... DJ is a good example of regressing promising young players, and taken in aggregate it's clearly a coaching problem, not a player issue... The last two years DJs catch % has declined by 10% to ~56%, while he has dropped 15 passes the last 2 seasons vs 7 total his first two years. Yea QB play has been bad these last couple years but when it's every receiver dropping balls at every down and distance we have to stop looking at what player is to blame imo.

I actually think we got some very good players the last couple years in the draft... And like you, I am really worried they're going to be ruined by this piss poor coaching. You can see the regression in many of our 2nd year / younger players, and the rookies are largely failing to develop as you'd expect... Its the total lack of development that has me done with Rhule. I actually didn't expect us to win much this year anyway but seeing critical players seeming to play worse and be out of position more the longer they have with these coaches??? Bad sign.

I don't get why posters are getting angry at Darnold. I mean... He isn't good but the coaches are the idiots putting him out there. He isn't the reason Cam was benched... I kinda doubt Sam and Cam have any kind of animosity, anyway. I don't think Sam meant to throw shade at Cam at all. now RA shitting on fans or Miller shrugging at sack numbers... That's kinda bullshit lol.