mav1234

So the advanced metrics are saying Bryce is doing really well throwing deep, with his vaunted big time throw metric at 5th in the league and his adjusted completion percentage somehow at 7th (that's some big adjustment). And people wonder why advanced metrics get questioned. We aren't throwing deep because Bryce doesn't take the opportunities. He is struggling with his reads. Other advanced stats show that, so...

Absolutely. Despite the turnovers and the terrible slips we only gave up 17. If the offense could have mustered a single productive drive after the start of the game ...

Er... The defense that gave up 17 total points, despite two turnovers from the O and Horn falling twice (to give up 14 points?). They weren't great but good enough to win. Some of the guys on d may have thought they'd arrived but honestly I think the O was the problem. Bryce just can't make the ball.

Persuasive argument there

Ahhh okay that makes more sense. Sophomore slumps happen but this was clearly much more.

Holy crap you aren't kidding. 15% drop rate, only a 50% catch rate. What's going on with him? Approximately the same targets per game but a huge drop in production... I haven't really paid any attention but that's an insane drop off.

This is just completely damning. And it matches the eye test. He had a few game stretch last year where he was pushing the ball down field effectively. There was little to no pressure, though. And defenses got the tape and figured it out. Bryce is now being baited into ridiculously easy to see interceptions. He struggles past his first read. His strength is backyard football but his balls often take so long to arrive defenders have time to recover. He just isn't it. Maybe someday he finds some mojo as a backup and emerges again but I'm skeptical.

But dude have you seen his BTTs rankings for his career wowza

Small sample size since I'm pretty sure this is from this year. Burrow wasn't looking phenomenal in his only full game but I'm sure would have bounced back.

I don't want his contract but he's unquestionably better than Bryce. That isn't a high bar to clear, lol.

To be fair to the Panthers, Bryce was seen as the best QB in the draft by a lot of folks, not fans but commentators and many scouts etc... Alabama really fooled people, and OSU also was considered fools gold.

Clausen was another guy that just played with superior talent his entire life so it didn't matter how good he was. He didn't have a good arm but he also just sucked on the mental aspect. I still remember writing an angry email to some Panthers email in 2010 about how awful the team was. Jerry fuging Richardson called me lol (along with a few others that had done the same). He blamed it all on Fox hahaah

How many Bills players are out saying some of the players were too comfortable etc though? That's what I mean. The Bills are consistently saying the Fins wanted it more, were tougher, etc. it's very different to have multiple players say the things they are saying. Edit: I don't think this is the end of the world or something though and we have to see how the team responds moving forward.

Ahahaha I meant the fact Bryce couldn't beat them when he was daring them to lol

I mean there was another QB that absolutely looked the part and demonstrated his abilities in his first season. We'll see how he works out long term, but we had a solid option that passed the eye test.

Does anyone know how many BTTs (big time throws, for those unfamiliar) he has this year?

This is how I feel. When your QB is losing you games you have to bench him. You can't let him keep going.

I understood and it was fuging embarrassing

Giving the ... Leaders ... The benefit of the doubt, it's possible that they're addressing it quietly internally.

Teams lose games, big deal. If a bunch of players come out and say that guys took it easy, it indicates a problem.

Yeah it's disturbing this is true. No coach should have allowed that kind of attitude. I don't know who exactly they're referring to but I suspect it was one of more of our terrible performers... It's just crazy to think it could be Horn (given how much losing he's endured) or Bryce (... I mean he has to know how bad he is...).

To be fair, the vast majority of that came on him following over twice. Hopefully that doesn't happen again But when even advanced stats can't save Bryce... Well ...

Lol 50% of his last 10 starts are sub 150 yards... Bryce has been figured out

He absolutely is not. There's a stat floating around about how bad he is after read 1. He can't read NFL defenses, he relies on anticipation (which requires the correct read) and his balls take far too long to get anywhere.

Also curious who they were. Ridiculous attitude to have ever, let alone 1 game over 500.