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A myth by fans? Didn't Proehl admit Smitty was a toxic player near the end?

this is hilariously fitting.

Probably, but one never knows...

Flores.

fug yes please please please Christmas may come late to Panthers fans after all

7 year plan. It's a good one. Basically, he leaves year 3 after moderate success for more money and maybe if you're lucky you can make out like Baylor with an even better coach! What's not to want?

Rhule and Apple can both suck and be terrible. But only one of them is getting ready for the most important football game of the year, so...

Trading down in a draft where there's no valuable QBs is significantly harder. Hopefully for us either an OT we want or a player someone else wants to trade up for drops. I'm just skeptical of the later (but there's enough decent OTs the former seems realistic).

I think everyone on the draft a QB train explicitly means "if there's one with a high first round grade there". Like if by some miracle all 5 picks before us are QBs, the value wouldn't be there (probably won't be if more than one is taken before us tbh). The same is true of the "OL no matter what" crowd, imo.

If Rhule let's McAdoo have a heavy hand in the QB evals I'd be more comfortable. But I don't see Rhule taking a QB since he needs to save his job.

Between this post and the idea of rehabbing Daniel Jones I realized I do still care about the team based on the awful wretching feeling I just felt in my gut. Mostly because both those scenarios make so much sense.

Oh for sure, although I think that Brady was in over his head and didn't have a true NFL mentor here, which fuged him too imo. Last year we saw consistent problems with getting plays in on time, same problem in 2020. And while Cam (and tbh to an extent early Darnold) did improve on red zone effexiency he still has vexing situational playcalls. Time and time again, Rhule failed to respect how much actual NFL experience matters... I think Brady can be good with a good mentor.

Ehhh. In the five games immediately before his firing, our offense averaged barely over 17 ppg... We were on a hard course downward and while Nixon was not better, Brady at the end wasn't good either. After Minnesota the wheels came completely off save for a brief reprieve from Cam's energetic return. Excluding Cam's ARZ game, the offense averaged 11.8 ppg after Minnesota under Brady...

The Panthers do not have an expensive QB room. Just posting these since I think there's some misconceptions about what expensive salaries and cap hits for QBs are. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/ https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/quarterback/ Cam vs Sam... I mean I think Cam brings more to the offense... But I don't want him back because it's hard to watch Rhule destroy him through poor management, bad OL in front of him, etc... I don't know if Cam can be a full time starter anymore but I don't think we would be able to find that out on our poo show. I tend to think he could be.

So I actually agree Rhule needs to stick with his process and Darnold alone, but that's because I think he's such garbage I don't want ANYTHING else wasted on him. But realistically, this entire team benefits from adding a veteran QB to push Sam in training camp. Ideally it's a very low cost short term rental vet. It should have been done in camp last year. It isn't just about Darnold either, good vets bring a lot to practice etc, but Rhule doesn't value NFL experience because he can't fathom improving on The Process. But instead we stuck with PJ so uh I'm glad the process can keep working.

Honestly I've always felt if you're sold on a QB as a franchise guy, you draft him as soon as you can. Those are first round QBs. Other QBs you think could overcome some major flaws, those are later round guys. I'm not sure but I don't see Howell in the first camp, and we are sorely missing picks. I think he, like most all of these QBs, can have decent success in the right system / with the right team. I just don't see Rhule as that for any of these rookies. He needs an incredible talent to carry him...

This staff shouldn't be trusted to evaluate QBs. They should have to stick with Darnold imo, bringing in a cheapish vet FA that won't sacrifice future assets...

I agree with the stance, but I think that is on Rhule, not on Darnold. Frankly the problem is that this staff doesn't recognize the value of NFL experience... Just look at who rhules initial coaches were. No surprise he didn't see the value of bringing in another vet to push Darnold

Had nothing to do with Sam, and he didn't make that choice lol. The team was moving on from Teddy regardless - Darnold though did keep them from drafting a younger QB. Teddy wasn't gonna be a Panther in 2021 ... It was just a matter of finding the right way for it to happen.

I can't wait for more opportunities for Rhule to embarrass Tepper.

"Cornering" the market, haha

The fact we aren't hearing "no his hands are like 9" " from his camp tells me he has very small hands. How small, dunno. Didn't make him more prone to fumbling in college but could in the pros. Honestly tho I think a lot of that is overblown.

They may be unusually small. Not sure it matters for fumbles. Hard to say. I thought NFL balls were slightly larger but that may be old info. Pickett had 7 fumbles and 1 fumble lost in 2020. 3 with 2 lost in 2021 Lawrence had 5 with 3 lost in 2020. Burrows had 4 with 1 lost in 2019. Herbert had 4 with 1 lost in 2019. Sam Howell had 4 with 1 lost in 2020 and 8 with 4 lost in 2021.

I dunno I think rules changes are making this style of play (or at least an extreme emphasis on it without a dynamic QB that can carry a team,too) outdated and ultimately unable to win it all minus rare circumstances, like reanimating the corpse of a Manning brother.

He just needs a competent OC and he'll be great