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I think if someone trades up with the Texans / Arizona AND selects someone else we will learn a lot about overall how Stroud was viewed. Otoh, Houston going for a different player alone isn't as big an indication. Just my opinion there.

Why do you think so? I'd think they'd get less reliable as smoke screens intensify etc. I don't know why this dude would lie like that. He didn't need to. He could have just said he can't comment on scores.

The problem with the 18 score is there is no single score to get... Was he 18th percentile? Did he get an 18 on one part of the test? Etc... The test maker said that there isn't one score and you can't trust sources giving one score to a player. That said, clearly Stroud did not do well on the S2 at least relative to the others.

This is contrary to plenty of other leaks we've had on scores (particularly for AR). I don't buy it. CJ obviously did not do particularly amazing but I'd bet he's much better than 18% or 18th percentile.

It is very likely his score is not amazing and so they've chosen to ignore it. His true score is known to many teams. This won't influence a team either way in all likelihood but it does poison fans. Kinda shitty

This happens often / many drafts and it's just gross. Someone is trying to cause him to drop to increase their chance of landing him... Just really shitty.

Because despite the hype, this is just 1 test. We don't know how many people scored very well and sucked, either.

That's why I said it was accurate. But if you're trying to argue not to worry about injuries, choosing CMC as your example is not a great choice, even if the nuances of the situation make sense. Regardless of the reason for his injuries he was barely on the field for multiple seasons for us.

I love Luke, but using CMC as the example of how guys can know how to get hit to avoid injuries - while accurate - doesn't exactly soothe injury concerns entirely, lol. Anyway I'm more concerned with how long he held the ball in 2022 and his arm strength than i necessarily am his build, but I trust our staff and they absolutely know better than me so I'll be happy if he's the pick.

This absolutely matters. It doesn't mean you discount it entirely but it's important context to his result.

I'm skeptical there is any standardly applied test that you wouldn't improve on taking multiple times. It wouldn't necessarily be that a player is learning the answers themselves... Rather, learning the best way that works for themselves in taking the test.

The only part of this that doesn't make a ton of sense is why we were willing to go to #3 if we wanted Young all along. He was never gonna be at #3... But these are dynamic situations and perhaps they didn't expect an opportunity to get the first QB on the board until it turned out the costs were nearly the same...

Please. Young looks likely to be the pick but it isn't because Stroud is used to coach... Or because of being from a single parent house... What the fug guys ...

tbf, very few players can. Stroud has a better arm than Young and he couldn't make that throw either IMO. But he can make other throws that Young might struggle with to opposite siides of the field etc.

There are far more draft profiles that list his arm strength as not elite. Dunno what to tell you. He's got the weakest arm of the top prospects in terms of strength, but he can still be plenty good. Arm strength can be overrated IMO.

Not a noodle arm, though. Just not elite. Still good enough to be a high level starter.

He doesn't have a noodle arm, but: " The deep ball is nothing special and his drive velocity fails to stand out, but he has enough arm strength to make the necessary throws. " https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bryce-young/3200594f-5512-4763-ab24-c1bd051ef0ef "Negatives: — Arm strength is not bad, but more would help ease size concerns." https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10048341-bryce-young-nfl-draft-2023-scouting-report-for-alabama-qb "Young’s arm is strong enough, but he doesn’t have elite arm strength. His velocity is good, but has a visible cap and can be inconsistent. He sometimes fails to push that velocity to the deep third. " https://www.profootballnetwork.com/bryce-young-qb-alabama-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/ More than good enough to be a good starter though.

Stroud has better arm strength than Young. But Young isn't particularly bad. Other than his height and build, his arm strength is one of his only negatives, and it's more of a "not amazing but good enough" than a true negative. It's come up in a few of the videos I've watched. Stroud routinely displays impressive arm strength but doesn't have a cannon.

I'm tired of rumor posts so I rarely post in them anymore and I get the exhaustion of them. But this is awesome content. Whether he's a Panther after the draft or not, clearly a young man worth rooting for. Thanks for sharing OP!

Fwiw I agree with your interpretation of change the game. Young looks dynamic and fun but I don't see how he fundamentally changes the game. Small QBs don't somehow play football differently or score points differently.

A leap implies that he is behind the curve... He's a 2nd year player on a meh team and he was in the top ten in a ton of categories for a QB... you say 25 TDs like it's a bad thing - he was 9th in the league in TDs thrown. He also had another 5 rushing. He was 9th in the league in QB rating, too. His 1.4% ints thrown per pass was tied with Justin Herbert (as was his # of TDs)... If his improvements continue, even without some kinda leap, he's one of the best QBs in the league probably. Seems like you're taking the generational talent moniker to mean he should dominate from the start... I think people put too much stock in that. I didn't expect a #1 draft pick to be the best QB in the league in his first year or two.

There was no predraft drama at all around his selection, and post draft was quite a disappointment given the coach etc. It is very rare a #1 draft pick is overshadowed by his shithead of a HC, but that was the case for Lawrence. But he had a very strong 2nd year. If we get his production in the second year of our #1, we'll be ecstatic. Lawrence taking "another leap" means he's a top 3 QB in the league... Dude already had 4.4k total yards, 30 total TDs, only 8 INTs. He still has room to grow but a leap implies he didn't play quite well last year.

Mediocre coach, great person by all appearances. I don't think these comments about Lamar move the needle on him in any direction.

Why would Arizona trade with us? And Will Anderson at #1 would be such masterful trolling on the part of this entire organization I would be absolutely down for the chaos it would cause hahahaha

The comment on Young's drop backs mirrors what I've seen. But I'd be curious how last year compares to this for him. His receivers did him little favors, though when they were open early it would appear he couldn't see it (or wasn't looking their way)