mav1234

Either you do extensive reading yourself on this sport or you keep copious side notes on things you saw two decades ago. No judgement on either of those things. This is a weird take from you given you present information like you've done plenty of reading/research on a topic too.

It really doesn't, especially given how OSU performed against Georgia. I think the idea was "Michigan is fools gold" but Georgia just took their game to a different stratosphere.

I'm willing to let Wilks interview and give a plan of how he's going to transform the offense AND defense. And while I personally think he's the wrong choice, I admit that I could be wrong, and maybe his plan will be so good, Tepper will think he's worth giving another few years to. We'll see. But we really, really need new coordinators.

Absolutely, we will - and, I don't mind Sam in that role, I just think sometimes it is better to move on. And I think it would be for him, and we have as good or better options.

The Huddle is behaving VERY weird for me today. Keep getting weird freezes, unable to quote posts, etc. Not sure if my ad-blocker is acting up or what.

I could see an owner moving on if they limp to a similar record with a different QB. Maybe you're right and they'd get another year after that, but I think it is a huge gamble to move on from a QB most seem to think is improving.

I absolutely do not love Minshew but it is hard to argue that he wouldn't be an upgrade over Sammy D. In 33 fewer starts, he's scored only 11 fewer TDs. His career int % is EXTREMELY low, lower than Sam's is in his limited work this year. I'm not saying he's a long term answer, but as a backup? yeah, an upgrade.

There's a dozen free agents that are better than Sam available as a temporary or (shudder) long term solution.

Here's a few that either were or will be available as FAs and likely have a future as a backup or bridge QB (not all are available, but point remains) Gardner Minshew Mitch Trubisky Teddy motherfuging Bridgewater LOL Mike White Andy Dalton Jacoby Brissett Then current starters that were backups/likely will be backups : Taylor Heinicke Daniel Jones Then we've got the starters-as-bridges, like Jimmy G... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/?ref=trending-pages The reality is, Darnold has put together a downright atrocious career his first four years. He had a "meh" but fine year this year as a backup.

Eh, why bother? We know what we're getting, even at it's best. he probably has a better shot himself elsewhere of earning a starting gig, and for us, he'd know he really isn't gonna have a shot at anything long term even if we do bring him back. Also I clearly said it was my opinion/what I wanted, not what I predict the team will do. I'm not stupid enough to try to predict what NFL people do, lol

If Darnold had even had something close to a decent game yesterday I'd be more on board with that, but man, I just don't see the point. There are going to be other backups that have higher ceilings, lots of journeyman vets that could start the entire year without looking like garbage while AR or Levis develops behind them, etc.

A few of us have... some place... Or I'm pretty sure a couple of us have said "you can use the assets you got from trading the #1 to move up next year if needed" I doubt it. There's virtually no chance that whomever goes #1 is a superstar QB next year that lights the league on fire. Rookies just don't do that. If your draft pick does well AND Fields develops it doesn't matter. If Fields fails but you have lots of pieces to build around, you reload next year. If you take a QB #1, you are committed to them for at least 3 years...

Seems a bit weird to throw in fumbles versus fumbles lost and exclude rushing TDs. He's more like 9 TDs, 5 turnovers, 1250 total yards in 6 games. Still hardly impressive. He's good for 3-4 "decent" games, at a backup level, before he falls flat on his face it seems. I guess that is why backups are backups and not starters. Time to move on. Maybe he'll find success elsewhere. Maybe he'll be out of the league in a few years. But unless he's coming back for pennies as a backup / bridge for 4 weeks until we put our new rookie QB out there, I don't want him on the team.

I'm only seeing plain text in your post you linked, fwiw. But maybe that's something on my end.

I'd be surprised if Young or Stroud became Marino but who knows. Keep in mind we also have a Sam Darnold thread. Does that mean our fan base wants to keep Sam Darnold and pass on drafting a QB? As to the last comment, this is why I could see them going in a different direction. If you trade Fields, though, and Fields improves while the QB you draft #1 falls on their face, you basically lose your job the next year. You may get another year even if Fields is bad to use the pieces you got for the #1 to go after a different QB.

I think stats are very often deceptive, as we've seen last year with our OL. But I was also going off what I saw, which appears less accurate on the state of the OL, but it doesn't change the fact the 2018 Bears team was *significantly* better overall.

I'd love for Horn to become All Pro, but he'd need to stay on the field for that to happen. Not all of their fans want him gone. I know plenty of Bears fans that do not.

Trubisky had that kind of support, lol. The dude was a pro bowler his second year. Everyone thought he was really emerging, and then he fell totally flat, and this year lost his job to Kenny Pickett. The same may happen long-term to Fields, but it just seems unlikely they'll already move on

My point was you can't trust fan forums, not that the two were the same.

Claypool and Mooney aren't horrible weapons at all... But they're also not #1s. Of Mooney's 4 100 yard games last year, 2 were with Fields and 2 were with Dalton. 3 of his 4 TDs were with Fields. Claypool had one nice game for the Steelers this year, the rest were ~50 yard affairs for both teams. And he played very few snaps for the Bears, as he was still learning the offense. Claypool started 3 games for the Bears and Mooney 12. And i'd expect Dalton to be a more refined passer than Fields, especially last year...

man dude, people were talking about trading Cam right until 2014 to move up and draft a real QB. I don't give a poo what a fan forum say, lol

If Fields was a veteran like Trubisky or Winston, there would be no question you draft a new QB. But he's a second year player.

I'm not saying they gave Trubisky tons of receiver weapons, I'm saying the team was significantly better. The OL was significantly better. The rushing attack was good, the OL blocked well (half the sacks as they gave up with Fields), and importantly, the defense was incredible. While the Bears did have a good rushing attack this year, that's heavily off of Fields' 7.1 ypc.

Thanks @raleigh-pantherand @Bear Hands! Id known very little of him and not seen him as a mid first round prospect before. Makes a bit more sense given the info you both provided (but still seems more like a non first day prospect).

Trubisky in his first couple years had a much better team around him. He was a better pure passer his first 2 years for sure, yet Fields scored nearly as many TDs this year as Trubisky in his second year and with a similar total yardage, despite the worse team. The Bears OL and D were pretty good that year. And you're making our point btw- the Bears did not move on from Mitch for multiple years.