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At least we don't need to hear overreacting about towels ...

Bryce Young

Was just about to go find this. Bryce was never a deep ball specialist.

There's like 1 poster satisfied with his performance. Even his most ardent supporters in the past agreed he needs to be better.

I don't get trading away all of your best players on both sides of the ball. You need SOMETHING to build off of in the future. I think the Sauce trade was really good, but this kinda firesale just seems like a bad idea.

Sure but then you also have to consider his overall record...

it was ridiculous to see how Dalton did after starting multiple games last year and go, "Yup, that's our backup." This offseason was pretty good overall, but that was a terrible decision.

Even PFF has him as one of the worst players in a Panthers uniform on Sunday... and I feel like he usually does decently with PFF, lol

There is a scheme component, but Canales was also HC last year. I think that Canales is playing to his QB, too. This year Bryce is having little success after his first read, so that may be part of the decision making in what routes are being run. I'm not sure. Bryce himself hasn't looked as good 15-20 yards as he did end of last year either. Fwiw, Dalton is not strong armed at all anymore either.

Oh definitely, we are in a better situation. Now if you're saying which QB do I want for a season in a bubble, different thing. But ideally I'd be able to choose someone else lol.

tbf I think we're just arguing a couple relative positions of "suckage" so it's a bit silly at this point, sorry, lol

His best 2 years were 2 and 3, but he's just never taken the next step from "young player with promise" to... well, actual ability. I mean he got paid and depending on a player's drive that can really do it.

I think you are severely underestimating just how bad Bryce Young has been in his career to date statistically. Does that mean he'll ALWAYS be that bad? No, of course not. Perhaps some day that'll change.

I'd say he's definitely in the bottom half of starting QBs and maybe bottom third. But I don't really care if his label was generational talent. Bryce Young's was super computer. Lawrence wasn't a bigger bust, because he's actually produced significantly more, unless your definition of bust is not actual play but media/fan expectations - in which case, Bryce's was also very high, so I'm not really sure, and if you're talking expectations you have to talk cost because that is part of what built those expectations. Just in terms of pure play to date, Lawrence has been significantly better than Bryce Young and has two decent seasons. Is he a good QB? I don't think so.

It's particularly telling you leave out 2023 and choose Lawrence's injured year. By no means do I think he's a great QB, but ... Career to date stats - Trevor Lawrence - 62.9% completion percentage, 230 YPG, 3.4% TDs, 2.2% INTs, 6.7 Y/A, total of 1.36 TDs per game (including rushing) Bryce Young - 60.4% completion percentage, 175 YPG, 3.2% TD, 2.2% INTs, 5.8 Y/A, total of 1.18 TDs per game (including rushing) There is no category in which Bryce is better across his career to date. Lawrence is a lower end starter. Bryce may not even reach that bar.

Players like you described can win some games and do well. But they also can't be top of the league in turnovers while doing so...

Trevor Lawrence has had multiple seasons throwing for 3.5-4k yards. He's not the generational talent people thought but he also isn't terrible.

Bryce Young isn’t a bust, the Panthers are | SB Nation https://share.google/oYybGvyvzUOIgbplX From a couple months back, came up on a quick Google about Bryce Youngs processing ability. Emphases how struggles are not his fault but the poor team built around him. I don't really feel like looking for others; it's similar to various things said across the league.

Agreed. He would absolutely get signed elsewhere too after the success of other failed early draft picks at second stops.

And just look at quite a lot of the media after he came back from his benching last year. Of course a lot of us were fooled by that too...

Oh lmao I missed it, sorry. Pre coffee mountain time zone

I wonder where he ranks in total turnovers. 3rd in fumbles and 3rd in INTs is real rough.

I've been looking a bit this morning for anything other than speculation... At this point those trades haven't been reported elsewhere so I suspect they're just rumors (or in progress).

I think there may be a difference of opinion of if limit / ceiling refers to typical games or the best possible outting by him. For some ceiling is meant in a career sense (what I think you mean) and others it's in a per game sense. I get both sides... if someone says game manager is a player's ceiling they don't mean they'll never possibly lead a team to victory on their shoulders ever, just not something consistent. But that isn't technically what ceiling refers to usually outside a sports players projections for a career

Bryce CAN throw a good ball but he throws those ugly ducks so often. I don't know if others have been picked off but they definitely have allowed defenders to get back under them. For our sake I hope he can adjust mid season and fix that. I'm just... Skeptical he can. Fwiw I thought he was attempting to get the ball to the pylon too.