mav1234

haha I still remember all the moaning about how much we paid CMC. Good times, good times.

Just a reminder the trade for Burns did not contain a 2023 first rounder and so by most front office beliefs the two first rounders offered were not the same as to a fan. I am pretty sure if the Rams had included a 2023 first instead of 2025, Burns woulda been gone.

It's funny you mention this because there are so many catches that our receivers make where they're just run down a few yards later, and I imagine Smitty just breaking tackles or running right past those defenders half the time.

The more I watch the film breakdowns from MIA the more hopeful I am in Young long term with the right kind of scheme. I am worried about his deep ball, but he has some impressive anticipation overall, overall good pocket movement (less on display vs MIA tbh), and seems to be consistently making the right read. Also holy crap are our receivers / their routes / concepts atrocious looking.

Waaay too early to poo on the 2023 picks. The real indictment is 2022. Insanely bad picks. 2023 may be more of the same, but it's absolutely too soon to say.

I don't give a poo if Bryce can throw it forty yards into tight coverage but we do need to find a way to stretch (usually more 15-20 yard routes) the field. But this isn't just a Bryce thing. The protection is fuging atrocious and our playcalling is ridiculous. Some videos refer to our formations as living fossils. Lol

Pffs grades for Burns always surprise me, and make me wonder how bias against him I've become lately for whatever reason - I like him as a player but have been disappointed yet he's hitting some good pff numbers consistently. Love seeing Bryce in our top 5.

I really hope you're right, haha. I do want to like Bryce as our qb of the future... I just keep seeing things that aren't suggesting high ceiling to me... But hoping very much I'm wrong.

Man. I just don't see the things you highlighted consistently enough... Yes, from time to time, a few plays a game. No, our offense doesn't do him any favors. But he's got a receiver who is on pace for an exceptionally good season and he's still averaging like 5 ypa, which is beyond atrocious. It's true he looked good with a run game and we inexplicably went away with it. It's also true he can't seem to connect over the top. Those throws are there, he just hasn't made them. Other rookies are making those throws... He's completed maybe 2 passes that were 20 yards past the los. He's only attempted like 7 total in 5 games. We don't need him throwing 40 yards every play but we have to connect deep more. His average depth of target is atrocious... As to his football IQ, we had to dumb the scheme down for him. Throwing off platform is great and all, and he's had some amazing plays so far doing so... But they are still only going a dozen yards. Meh. Even still, I could see him becoming a low end starter or quality backup. But... We need him to be more than that. Luckily he'll have a few years to show what he has.

That's fair. I suppose I'd say a #1 pick that never cracks the top half of starters for the team drafting him is a bust. Maybe just my opinion tho. My post came off a bit aggressive and wasn't meant to.

Apparently he's a super computer? I dunno man tbh. I think we've seen some good plays and I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a servicable to good starter. But I think what we gave up we would expect more than that...

How can you say he isn't an NFL qb, argue he doesn't seem like he ever will be, and also say he isn't a bust? Is your stance that he's probably gonna be a bust but it's still too early?

Some nice throws but inability to connect over the top still a limitation. We kept it close for a while but we needed to response to their scores earlier...

I can't imagine our D holding them even most of the game so them spotting us 14 is huge for us to have a chance. Spotting not meant to be disrespectful to what the offense is doing either, damn

They'd been working to trade up to at least 3 for a while. I think the combine made them comfortable there wasn't only 1 person they'd possibly take, but when they realized the compensation for 1 and 3 was so similar they pulled the trigger on 1. I don't think Tepper has as much to do with this as some fans think. Definitely signed off on the pick, and probably his preference too, but I don't know why we as fans are trying to absolve Fitterer and Reich here...

I think this is true, but debate between him and Stroud wasn't "a huge QB vs a tiny QB", it was "an average to slightly smaller-sized QB to a tiny QB."... I don't think Stroud's size was a concern (dude was pretty lanky and not that tall, but the NFL fixes some of that), but nor was it a plus (as AR's was). And the fear of OSU QBs was very strong... everyone pointed to the WRs. I think it's easy to watch BY play in college and see how his movement and escapability could become a great asset. He's actually shown glimpses of that already. But he's just so damn small, you have to wonder if he can succeed with his physical tools. Ultimately only so much of this game is mental...

I tend to think it was BY all along. While he wasn't at the top of everyone's board, it did seem that he was atop most. Stroud at #1 speculation peaked mid draft and we basically heard pretty quick he wasn't our preference. A lot of us hoped it was rumor at the time, but I think BY was widespread considered the #1 choice from the moment the trade was made.

Honestly there's plenty of throws in the Lions game to have some excitement over (and some from previous games). Yes I would rather have Stroud, but we don't, so now I can just hope for improvements from BY.

What did I miss?

Also, the reality is BY was higher ranked than Stroud by a ton of scouts and teams. We did make the wrong choice, but it wasn't as if we went against the grain there (as, say, taking AR would have been).

I definitely agree with this, I'm just curious where the Tepper narrative came from because the team pushed hard that Young was their target before the trade if they could get to 1, and they pushed he was always who they wanted. Doesn't make it true ofc.

Do we know for sure Tepper was the push behind Bryce? I mean, it seemed like our QB coach wanted Stroud but everyone else was all over BY.

The first of those TDs in the 4th wasn't against prevent. The lions didn't play soft until the next drive. Some promising plays from Bryce this game. More and more I think the coaching staff needs to get out of their own way...

I'm not arguing it was a bad/risky decision. It was a perfectly placed ball, but it wasn't as if Chark was in broken coverage. I'm not sure what your point is.

Uh what? No way. I'm not much of BY defender but you can't give up on him so short into his career.