mav1234

Plenty of people were complaining about the D in various posts, too. Just it was specific players, like most of us complain specifically about BY. Wallace, Scott get plenty of blame...

I'd elevate Hooker first and give him a couple games. Maybe Dalton for a few weeks, then move on to Hooker. Edit: your point tho is why a few of us really wanted something different at backup QB... I don't need someone to win, but how the hell did we end up keeping one of the few NFL QBs with as weak an arm as Bryce? Ugh

Give him one more game. Maybe two. If he plays similarly to how he usually does... then, start the QB carousel because you can't afford to trade mid season for anyone good but you can't just let play that bad be excused, no matter draft position. And it's not like the answer is on the roster, so we'll be losing out either way. But we will get to see if canales is the QB whisperer we dreamed of, or just another piece of fools gold. Then in the offseason you trade him for whatever you can get. Which... Won't be much. BY is cooked.

Absolutely. The defense was by no means good but if we had a competent offense, we give them a shot too. Good teams don't need to limit an opponent to 13 or less to have a shot at winning. Sure, it helps... But still

The defense is not great but it is possible to win games when your defense gives up 26 points, especially when they gave up like 9 points total over 3 quarters.

I don't know how someone could watch that game for 3+ quarters and think that Bryce wasn't a problem.

Look guys if everyone around him would just be perfect, Bryce would look average before the game got out of hand!

At some point this season I hope I can say Bryce Young is why we won a game that mattered, and not just that he isn't the reason we lost a game. This is a third year pro, not a backup, and we've invested a ton into this offense... Including him.

I don't think we really need to go that long. I'd rather see if the third QB on our roster could be a backup or something. Highly unlikely he'll bring us any wins. So let's send Bryce packing if things continue to stink this bad. We need a real QB to find out about Coker/XL. Tet seems set as a good to great WR. But I get what you're saying too. Id just rather not check out of another Panthers season at game 2.

I'm fine with explaining away a few bad plays from a player because the opposing team makes a good play / playcall. Or even saying the real failure on a given play was not the QB but the wrong route etc. But man, it's Bryce's third year and I expected better than this. Just tired of the inconsistency within (and between) games. Everything has to be perfect for him to play consistently well.

Ah yes, the Carolina special: Right playcall with bad execution.

What I care about most this season is getting an answer on Bryce... So far we're getting one.

Meh...

This stuff is completely wild. Thanks for posting... I do wonder what it would have looked like in the discussions between Stroud and Young but at very least we seem to have a complete professional as our QB that is doing what he can to get better. It's ridiculous how he's the total opposite of Williams...

Lots of promising signs from the back half of Bryce's year, and plenty of reasons for excitement... But confidence that he's already arrived seems massively overblown. We've all seen players go on tears for a handful of games. Bryce's tear was good relative to his peers at the time but it was only as notable as we made it because of how putrid he'd been prior to it. It isn't being a negative nancy to point out offensive limitations we had even during that stretch nor to express this is likely his last chance with the Panthers to prove himself (barring injury) Either way, I'm rooting for him.

Even with him, we will need more than him to have a decent offense. Even in Bryce's good games it was painfully clear we were lacking overall in receiving talent/experience (three of our best four receivers were/are too young to say it's talent)

A bit strange to make to ditch the one clear security blanket for our QB in a critical year for him... But if Thielen was wanting to go, I can't really blame him.

Nearly every amazing player will have a former teammate that talks poo about him. Real locker room cancers have more than one former teammate doing it. And especially given the current situation I tend to lean that Parsons is in no way a lock room cancer. Like many great players he likely knows his value and that can occasionally rub people wrong, which I imagine is what happened.

Indeed. That trade is insane. They probably came up with it after looking at that Mingo deal, heh.

I think Coker's value is only so high to the Panthers. He had good production for a udfa and he has some favorable advanced stats, but the reality is he had limited production. I love the guy and personally think at worst He's very solid depth... but... He's not getting traded straight up for a starter right now. As an aside... What's with this cokehead stuff?

Given our rushing attacks rank last year and the clear upgrades behind Chuba, I really do not understand this ranking. I get out TE and WR room have a lot to prove but this seems a bit crazy

Tbh I don't know how the other bottom feeders upgraded their rosters to say for sure but 28 feels low, unless you think that stretch end of season was smoke and mirrors. We do need some young guys to step up, but we also just need some injuries to return to form (pretty expected) and FA acquisitions to play to their level last year (pretty reasonable) and at least on D we will be massively improved...

His completion percentage was, but his total yardage was not, and that was with some atrocious WR play at times (though some major balling out by Thielen at times for sure). But he also had some really bad throws. His mechanics are far from perfect and NEED to improve. Receivers are no longer an excuse, either. I'm not saying he is a top 10 QB, just that in a lot of categories he was between average and just inside the top 10 in that stretch if we do things like considering his rushing as part of his production. My issue with him is we need to see within game and between game consistency. We saw some evidence of that possibility though.

This just isn't true for that time span, unless you exclude his rushing. Which would be perfectly in line with Panthers fans to do lol... But in that time span he was some place between 8-15 in most metrics and that included some good to great performances eye test wise. His ~230 yards per game was pretty good, and he was on pace for approx 28-30 TDs in a season and ~3900 total yards, with only 11 ints. And that was with the insane drops he had to deal with, not like some perfect performance by his receivers Anyway as to the backup quality whatever, if your backup QB is scrambling all over the field and delivering 20 yard completions every couple drives (barring the fourth quarter, anyway) - he's not just a backup, and probably gets a start some place... But he did play inconsistently at times, which is a major concern

I don't think the stat sheet is why Bryce was good in the AZ game. I don't think it's some incredible performance either, but it was a good game from a QB. He was much weaker in the 2nd half, but he moved the ball pretty well, and was effective in the red zone. He used his legs very well too. Philly was not a great game for him though. Lots of bad throws, but a few great ones (including the drop, lol) I'd say that since returning from benching he was on the low end of a top 10 QB. He needs to continue to improve and show consistency within and between games.