mav1234

Yes probably but the reality is this class on it's face does not look like a huge huge upgrade over Fields... And I think they'd get much less return from trading Fields than from trading the first.

I think they started with a much, much larger list and this is what's left of it. Appears to be a mix of previous experience and new up and comers, mostly leaning towards offense. Seems like a good pool so far

Wow you've really outsmarted the league here... Seen right into Teppers true plans of genius. Misdirection at its finest. Why waste our time on some low ceiling OC that has transformed young seemingly mediocre QBs into excellent players when we can get someone that really understands the process?

Where's Hurney? We need an outside consultant immediately to switch on recruiting mode behind the scenes before the Giants[edit: obviously not them but whomever we actually are competing with for coaches next year] get wind of our plans

so on a very rudimentary comparison, just based on Pro Football Reference's expected points, and excluding the shitshow of a NO game because of who was missing on D and the fact the O just... I have no idea what that was... anyway... The offense saw a veritable explosion, with more ppg (22.2 vs 18.6) and more total yards (331 vs 271) owed primarily to more rushing yards (but a small amount more passing). Opponents had about the same but with more passing yards (~30 more pg) but fewer rushing yards (~30 pg). When we consider PFR's "expected points" values as averages over their time as HCs, the offense with Rhule underperformed (-7.7), but overperformed with Wilks (3.8) vs expectations given how their opponents play. The defense under Rhule slightly outperformed (-1.2) it under Wilks (-4.5). If we throw in the NO game, the defense stays mostly the same but with a slight improvement in expected points (to -3.9), but the offense loses a bit and looks worse under Wilks than Rhule. So not a nose dive, but also I'd say slightly worse. Owed mostly to injuries? Maybe... though the points we gave up in his first month was awful.

Someone had made a post comparing before and after Wilks, but it was before the NO game, so the comparison isn't necessarily valid. One strong mitigating factor is timing of injuries, though, and also IMO Burns' overuse, which is less a Wilks issue and more a depth issue.

Wilks didn't take Rhule's job. Rhule lost his job and Wilks took over. I don't think a young OC rising to HC is going to worry about that much.

I think a young HC coming from an OC background will know they need a strong DC. I'm not sure Wilks recognizes that.

Lutz's second FG was blocked, but yeah. Was a shitshow of a game all around

I'm in the same boat. I have some personal thoughts, but also know that none of us are going to privy to the interview, until maybe we hear someone made Tepper meatballs again and his wife had to restrain him from whipping out more than his checkbook at dinner. I am leaning not-Wilks right now but I recognize that he has had a good overall run as interim HC and if the right questions are asked and he comes out on top, awesome, that's great for him as I'd be excited for him personally.

This has been happening to me a lot - If I wait long enough, usually a page becomes "interactable" again. Not sure what's up, it only seems an issue on the last page. I was wondering if it was my adblocker. edit: Definitely gets worse as more posts are added to a page - I've seen a few other posters comment on this too.

I don't know what exactly is meant by haul but we absolutely have to go out and get the QB we like if we are in position to do so. Enough with retreads and reclamation projects. We're interviewing a boatload of QB gurus and offensive coordinators for a reason.

I actually think Burns was exhausted by the end of the season and maybe slightly injured. In general our best DL did not get enough breathers and I think it showed in the TB game. Still, despite how hard some guys fought the team still fell short and/or sucked at key times. I just don't know if Wilks is the answer - leaning more towards not, tbh. But as I've said, he deserves an interview and if he has a good plan I hope Tepper goes with him.

And even against the Saints, we were bailed out by Sam fuging Darnold turning into Sam Newton and, after completing like one total pass, throwing a dart to move us into FG position. Admittedly Burns wasn't playing but our team looked dead...

strangely enough I kind of think this could be true, lol.

This is awesome... Would love to get a chance with him as our HC...

that might be true but our division is a combined 29-39, so is that really saying muhc?

If a new coach does worse for a couple seasons we go after another new coach. Just how it goes until you find a good one.

He did a fine job but I don't necessarily just want a HC that does a fine job. I think Wilks can make an argument for his hire but I'm tired of mediocrity. In one of the worst divisions in football in a long time he had a shot at the division. He didn't make it. That means a lot IMO.

Ok but he actually also had a TD that game... Dalton also has significantly more NFL experience which is valuable in a bridge guy imo.

Why can you take away 3-13 but we can't take away 6-6? Wilks may not be as bad as his 3-13 record but why do we assume he will definitely be his 6-6 record? When he took over our D nose dived. I think he's probably closer to .500 than .321 but let's not act like his floor is .500 ball.

Minshew could make a lot of sense with our interest in Steichen... I mean I think I've been called a Darnold superfan, and I just don't see much point. His experience has been with (for the most part) Gase and Rhule. It's actually why his career could be vastly different elsewhere if he gets a different, new coach (it probably won't be lol). But it's also why there's better guys, like Dalton, Brisset, and Minshew, that have been in various systems etc and have had some of their own relative success at times. Darnolds best season was this stretch and he capped it with the worst game by a Panthers QB ever (stats wise)

Haha fair. I mean even idiots get lucky sometimes so here's hoping...

I don't know why we are sure we are getting a .500 clip Wilks when his career winning percentage as a coach is .321...

Im sympathetic to that but I'd still rather he try than settle. Tbh outside of saying no to Harbaugh (which may be about total control) I'm relatively happy with his pool so far.