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Yup exactly. Our young players on D are going to need to really step up. The good thing is our safeties are pretty good vs the run.

Those Bryce haters always derailing posts, amirite? Anyway, this hugely increases our chances but Fields is precisely the kind of QB we could have trouble with, and the Jets have a defense that could give us trouble. If they lean into stopping the run - which they probably will - we will need TMac and Bryce to step it up to get a win. I think the Jets are better than their record but still not very good. Then again, nor are we, lol

This is a perspective I agree with.

200+ yards won't be a thing and we do need to be conscious of managing Rico's workload against better defenses, but I think we have it in us to put up some decent numbers this week. I do expect Rico to have his third straight 100+ yard game. We are just blocking really well.

To focus back on this - it is explicitly the case that if you think Bryce will improve in the future regardless of the circumstances (better team / coaching / development) you are also predicting the future. I still maintain the only difference between so called haters and stans is just how much they think Bryce could realistically improve based on existing play. I do think if we reframed all these discussions into "have you seen enough to give him a 5th year extension already" you'd find near complete agreement from fans lol

Are you 100% certain this is the narrative you want to go with? That people were talking poo about Bryce in the thread? Who brought up Bryce here? Who started trolling first? Nobody had said anything negative about Bryce and in fact agreed with you that he appeared better than JJ! Then you had to go and start trolling fans about Stroud for obvious reasons.

Dude. I like you and respect your contributions. But you went into a thread to randomly bitch about Stroud in a way to compare to Bryce. "Both sides" do it. And sometimes "haters" will say something like "x or y does well in spite of circumstances" and people jump in defending Bryce when his name isn't even used. Whether or not it is equal in trolling it is very clear both sides are doing it.

So, objectively, you'd say from a holistic review of Rico's performance and the team overall there were at least a dozen players on the team that performed at least as well if not better in their roles?

There are also posters that go into every thread period and bring up Bryce Young somehow in a positive light, regardless of context, quite often to knock other players (sometimes not even on our team). And we had a game day thread where every three posts someone would go "if only Bryce Young had made that tackle" or some crap.

The Huddle has been worse absolutely but it also had more quality regular posters back then. I mean some of the most toxic threads were about Cam pre 2015 and circa 2017. Legitimate racist poo that mods had to periodically clean out (as I'm sure you remember heh). The old days had some great posters but it also had some really bad stuff. We also had weird characters, relatives, players posting, etc. Before social media became quite what it is now, the Huddle was a wild place.

I don't think this is true. Certainly as someone people call a hater frequently, I would like nothing more than for BY to be our long term answer at QB. I just haven't seen that yet. I think most posters are actually quite in a similar place with BY - haven't seen enough yet and hope he shows us something this year. It's just a difference on what they think of his existing play to date, how much of it is his fault, etc.

Tbf to that poster I thought you were advocating for getting rid of the stat. I generally don't see the point in worrying about whether a QB has GWDs or not. There was a time when Cam was shredding defenses, people called into question whether he was clutch or not because he didn't have enough GWDs. It was dumb then. I also think it's dumb to carry around Bryce's number of GWD without context. But then, there aren't many stats where Bryce is particularly impressive, so I get that, and he does seem at his best at the end of games. What he does well doesn't really show up on the stat sheet, and what he does poorly absolutely does, so this "stat" is in some ways his most impressive.

Baker was fuging garbage here. Darnold was not in the end, but Darnold was also jettisoned after an incredible season in Minnesota, because they didn't believe he'd lead them over the hump. But Darnold and Baker both have physical tools BY just doesn't have.

Definitely a bad decision on his part

Did we find out if he actually called for the ball there? The fumble was also a really good punch by the Dallas defender

So I don't know. 1/4 is 25% but sure let's say that grade doesn't matter and he gets a 6. But ... Dude makes history. Beats a team to a pulp. Carries an offense over and over. And his final grade is... Average? I just don't see it. Seems a fundamental flaw with the pff formula.

Okay sure. An 82 rushing grade is, according to pff, bottom of a "good" tier. See below: So in the end Rico "I made history on Sunday" Dowdle has a 67 on the day. So he's on the high end of average. Not even above average. Just average. Now call me crazy or say I don't understand PFF, if you want. But I'd call Ricos rushing elite, and his overall play at minimum... Good.

Have you consulted with PFF to ensure who was really the best player on the field?

Alright but to say that he was only average on the game? Do you agree with that?

Agreed 100%. I would say that over a season I generally agree with pff but game by game I don't. This is a case I just don't understand what their people say. And that is NOT meant to be a knock on Bryce.

Wait how the heck does Bryce have an 82 if his highest subgrade in passing was only 78? What the fug haahaha

Imo it isn't just that he was 10th best. It was that he was basically only average / above average overall at 67. His rushing was elite that game. Yes he had holes but he also had tons of yards after contact.

A score in the 80s vs 90s is basically "good to great" vs "elite." I would argue that low 80s is lower than Rico deserves as i have trouble characterizing his rushing as less than elite yesterday. And still the idea that his overall score on the day was just "above average" is fuging insane and represents a problem with their scoring.

Hey cool, we have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL by total yards! 3rd by YPG too, so... Pretty damn good.

Is your argument that Bryce Young isn't good enough to take over a game, and so needs insane performances from superior players in order to shine?