mav1234

Teddy is not nearly as bad as many Panthers fans think... but he's not a franchise QB. Seems like a good to great backup and possibly a very good mentor for a young QB if talk of his demeanor / attitude are true. Wherever he ends up I wish him well... and hope he learns when to be aggressive...

Right, but I wouldn't be surprised if we draft someone in a later round if it's somebody they like.

I wouldn't assume the Panthers avoid drafting a QB. Darnold wasn't handed the keys to the franchise. He's going to be given a chance to compete.

I remember people talking about how Darnold had turned the corner and was posted for a great year 2. And even though he wasn't great he wasn't as bad as he was year 3, or even close...

Why not? He wasn't bad (especially for the Saints) and seems like a pretty good person.

Honestly overall I like the trade. I do think a non conditional 2nd seems high... but ah well.

A 2nd round pick next year is still a 2nd round pick...

Don't like the 2nd next year in there too.. Seems way too steep.

sure, there is some of that, but it is more than that. there are historical trends and at this point it just feels predictable what adjectives are being used for what prospects. blech.

The narrative around Justin Fields not working hard and not being a smart player is beginning to wander into Tinderbox territory, but it is the narrative around him that is developing. It is depressing that such a false narrative persists, and it is so easy to dispel with even a minor amount of effort.

Sounds like this happens all the time. Where are the examples of the dozen+ fake claims against someone?

Watson made statements regarding the victims careers and prospects therein that were interpreted as threats by the victims. As they didn't relate to physical violence, hard to know. Is it normal to ask for a NDA type of agreement with a masseuse? That was a pattern I noticed, was attempts to get many of these women to agree to something more formal not to discuss the massage, which seemed weird.

Several women in my life have been (physically) sexually harassed, or assaulted, and one was raped. None have gone to the police. I believe all of them.

So given how common this supposedly is can you give me some links and details to actual cases involving >12 plaintiffs where it was all completely fabricated?

Buzbee seems to be centering himself in this case and it is disturbing and frustrating given the importance and magnitude of the accusations against Watson. The last line of his statement about seeking other law enforcement is very peculiar.

that's why Teddy is so infuriating. he has the ability to do so much more than he does, as he regularly shows early in games and often between the 20s. but he just seems unable to trust himself, or the players around him, or the coaches, or whatever... he can't get it done. Teddy isn't terrible because he's bad at QB, he's terrible as an option for us because he is anti-clutch, and if you want to win in the NFL, you need to be clutch.

It may just be a matter of making sure they have a couple good eyes on Fields. I personally prefer Fields so I hope they do, too.

Given Rhule has already seen Mac Jones quite a bit, in this particular case, I wouldn't read TOO much into it.

I love Fields and hope we find a way to land him without giving up 3 first round picks...

I didn't watch enough Jags games to compare but the stats don't back that up. Glennon has only .2 more intended air yards per attempt and .1 fewer completed air yards per attempt than Minshew. Their intended air yards per attempt were both more than Teddy's. I don't think Minshew has a cannon but he is certainly more aggressive with the ball than Teddy is. Despite that, he threw fewer interceptions per attempt. But we hopefully do better than either of them. If not, and if he's cheap, I don't mind Minshew.

Didn't we already have confirmation Verge is Phil Simms?

Arguably we had teams in the Fox years that were a good QB away from being very, very good. In the Cam years, it was often coaching or OL, and even a single difference on the OT... well, who knows... But your second paragraph is exactly why you can trade the farm for a QB once the rest of your team is in decent shape. Ours is not. Trading the farm for someone entirely unproven is a HUGE risk. I was on board when we were talking about an existing franchise talent, but... we have too many holes IMO to give up 3 first round picks and 2-3 2nd/3rds to get Wilson. If Fields falls to 5, he will be available for much less than that, though, and i'd be on board then.

I fully intend to return to insanity by this afternoon, thank you very much!

if anything what the 49ers trade shows is that if you feel you only need 1 piece to be competitive, you can sacrifice a ton. We are not 1 piece away, so sacrificing a ton for unproven commodity, even one as enticing as Wilson, seems too big a risk.

Wilson will cost as much as Watson would have before, it seems, which just feels ridiculous. Given that, and the fact that Atlanta is not a viable trade option, we're simply going to need to see how the draft falls.