mav1234

We also started playing better offenses... We've only played 2 decent offenses and both had huge games against us... And our D couldn't buy a stop in those games at critical moments. Injuries have hurt us but we've invested a poo ton in D... Shaq is big though so maybe his return will get that killer instinct back for the unit. Offense is miserable... But I expect an elite defense to get stops at end of games and overtime.

Watching teams routinely devour us with TEs... Ugh.

Man the drops are fuging destroying us this half ... It's beenrare to see Darnold throw a nice ball the last couple games and now it's just drop fuging city.

Lol we just can't protect at all

It always feels like Panthers quarterbacks are the ones expected to make perfect throws every time... Same story with Cam. Sam isn't good but he's played pretty well so far this half (lol kiss of death I bet)

3rd in the league in... What? Not points allowed or yards allowed or turnovers. We do have injuries but no more than other teams. Yet our D caves in the 3rd every game. Hopefully this one is different.

No but should be caught.

We have people calling this defense elite, lol. It isn't. It isn't bad, definitely. Or maybe Shaq is what we've been missing, which is totally possible. He is underrated here I think.

Haha Shaq making me eat my words! Nice!

This defense is nowhere near as good as some posters here think.

Was just thinking how much of a pleasant surprise he's been

That didn't look like holding...

Our OL is so bad lol

Honestly the defense isn't bad but it isn't nearly as good as we thought it was.

Better than a turnover tbh. I get the frustration but we just don't have the QB... Or OL... To get 17 yards consistently

Sounds like a totally blown call then

It's all part of the catch, because he hasn't secured the ball as he's going out of bounds. His hands are bringing it into his chest and as he drops to the ground he seems to knock it out...

Yup ball came out as he hit the ground. Sucks but it goes down as a drop.

The ball came out when he hit the ground. If he keeps hold of it there's no question. I do disagree with the refs but we're homers.

It looked like it to me but I guess the ball did come out out of bounds. Sucks, dj and Sam both coulda used that.

Another drop ... Ugh.

I think this is a big part of it. So, too, is our general weakness on the edge at stopping the run, although that is thankfully improving it seems.

I dunno man I see Brown taking up space making plays and forcing runs outside. Brown has more sacks, more TFL, more tackles than Vea. Vea has 1 more QB hit... Edit: not saying Brown is better but he is producing and imo he is playing an important role in the defense.

Do we have any evidence he would have traded up? Yes, hurney 1.0 loved to trade up but all I'd heard is we wanted Herbert but he didn't fall to us.

So what you're saying is we will franchise him needlessly this year then award him top 5 corner money the next year, after drafting yet another corner in round 1?