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Right, which is why I don't hate the trade. I do wish we'd seen just a little more out of CJ last year so I'd have a bit more enthusiasm about him in particular, but I'll give him another year without complaint (not that my opinion actually matters to the Panthers anyway).

I don't hate the CJ trade, but it's emblematic of a big problem I have with Rhule: overconfidence in his ability to turn players careers around. Whether it's a retread QB, a player with injury history, his best buddy/someone he liked from college, etc, it feels like he's just so arrogant that he thinks he can overcome the strongest predictor of a player's future: Their career to date. There are always exceptions, and I hope CJ is one, because if he can live up to some of his potential it will have been a great trade.

Although I agree with most of what you're saying in general, Brady would have shown much more than Darnold did... Darnold just processes too slowly it seems, as even when he had time he was abysmal. I do think those stats are misleading since he was clearly always expecting pressure, but if he had more he would have shown it by now...

He's also got way, way more worse film, and a lot of negative rumors to go along with it. The only reason CLE was in at all is because he couldn't be the QB they needed... The same issue Jimmy G has. I don't want to trade for either of them, we've had enough retreads trying to reinvent their careers.

Neither did Mayfield.

It's been a long 24 hours...

The only reason the trade makes sense at all is because Rhule is desperate to save his job. We've had enough retreads...

What the fug

Definitely... But if the long term plan is BC at guard and Icky at tackle, I hope that is worked in to the season somehow. I won't begrudge decisions on where rookies start early in the season, but I just would like us to get the guys experience where we expect them to play long term.

I'll be honest, I prefer the headline "trade for Mayfield might happen today" to "the trade for Mayfield happened today"...

The endzone issue is as much a whole offense issue as a DJ issue. He's part of that, but the bigger issue is who is calling plays and throwing him the ball... I think he can and will improve, too. I also think his contract won't look so big next year compared to new deals... We will see though. I could be wrong.

DJ has ups and downs per game or within games, but has produced 3 consecutive 1200 yard-from-scrimmage seasons, all with the worst stretch of QBs in the NFL throwing to him. He isn't underwhelming imo, the players throwing to him have been. Hell his best chance to be explosive was when Kyle fuging Allen was throwing him the ball... I still remember Teddy missing him wide open on game winning drives lol.

If the coaches suck so bad that Mayfield ruins young player development with whatever drama be brings, the young players were fuged anyway. I'm hoping these new assistant coaches help there anyway, and Mayfield will have a ton to prove here I think. As long as we don't give up future assets, fine with me. I'd rather have someone that we'd expect to be a better mentor, but then we wouldn't have a guy with a higher ceiling (Jimmy G VA Baker M I suppose).

I don't have high hopes for BC either (or anyone raw that is coached by rhule), but at least we do have improved coaching on the OL overall that could see some benefits. I'd be happy with "excellent depth" but think he could be better than that. Just hard to get hopes up for any young player on this team...

Appreciate the tweets and news shared, thanks all.

We thinking from 32nd to... What, 25th? 22nd maybe? As bad as he was, much better isn't really saying much.

Rivera wasn't the coach to push us over the top but he was a decent coach overall. At least he would reliably have one side of the ball ready for games, ugh. Rhule is wildly in over his head and I don't know how he's tricked Tepper or others into thinking otherwise...

if his heart isn't in it - retire. No reason to put your body & mind on the line. Or take a roster spot from someone that will contribute.

Realistically or hypothetically?

Mayfield is a massive upgrade over what we have right this moment, but I really hope we keep playing hardball. I don't even know if he would be helpful to Corral/any young QB's development - hard to evaluate what kind of teammate he is. And ideally we have some idea of what we have with the young signal caller heading into next draft, which I feel like will be hard to do if you give Rhule a veteran with some (albeit apparently limited) talent.

That would be bittersweet - I am hoping he can find a way to get a ring.

Ahh okay, thanks for clarifying.

I was wondering about that, but if it is about a QB, would that make sense?

so no to Cam then... I suppose this doesn't exclude a trade, right?