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I don't know what stats they were looking at... imo this isn't like the Rivera era where the team was playing well but we all could see the blunders he'd make coaching-wise. This is like... a total dumpster fire. Dunno why people defend him at all.

Pickett had 21 tds in 9 games in 2020 (his 2nd best season) vs Allen's 21 tds in 11 games (his 2nd best). He averaged ~100 more yards in the air per game than Allen too. Allen took care of the ball a little better in his second best season but not by a ton (keep in mind Allen threw the ball far less than Pickett). As physical prospects they aren't at all comparable, but in terms of lack of multi-year high-level production they certainly are.

tbf Pickett has a pretty clear progression too. His yards per game and TD% increased pretty much every year and if last season had been 12-13 game we'd be looking at ~3500 yards and ~18-20 passing TDs, plus the rushing TDs he had (he had 8 in 9 games last year)... so while not a great season it is a step up from the previous year by quite a bit. Lance and Herbert were 100% not considered surefire prospects tho. They were both risks. I don't recall Watson well enough to say. Wilson was the 2nd overall and would have gone first probably in a non-Lawrence draft.

if you're going to call Allen having 2 years of production, Pickett has multiple as well - they had the same number of total TDs in their 2nd most productive season, and Pickett played in 5 fewer games than Allen in that season (Allen's 2017 vs Pickett's 2020). Keep in mind 2020 was also the covid year. I already mentioned Cam's time at Blinn was discounted by many, tbh, understandably. I'm not saying the situations are the same (they def. aren't), but you seemed to be suggesting there was only 1 example of a guy with 1 productive year, and I'm just sharing that isn't true. Circumstances are definitely different, but my greater concern isn't with his productivity in college and more what his ultimate ceiling really is. Well, that and the fact our coaches blow so couldn't develop him at all.

Shaq's had some good plays the last couple weeks I think... although my attention hasn't been fully on games so I may be wrong. But overall, it looks like every player regresses the longer they're exposed to this staff. I hope Tepper can see what is obvious to us and we move on this year.

tbf Cam was considered a one year wonder by many (his juco stuff was discounted initially). Josh Allen had one decent season (and not even a great one). Murray had only one great year (really only 1 year as a starter, but still). I'm sure there are others. edit: but I agree that I don't think we should take him, fwiw.

he looked great preseason for sure. give him another full offseason and season with this staff and he'll probably be out of the NFL. our WR coaching is particularly bad - DJ is a good example of how even a great receiver is regressing under these clowns... It isn't too late for DJ (he'll probably escape to another team), but it probably will be for some of these guys.

our coaching staff actively makes players worse, lol. what a fuging shitshow.

Pickett looks good at times but I get a bit concerned about the single season of production. Then again, I'm poo at player evaluation, especially when it comes to QBs. Unfortunately for all of us, so is our staff.

The process takes a while, okay?

Nobody can answer that cause Rhule hasn't fuging played him enough. We can't rule him out as a possibility there though...

Giddy for Gabbert wasn't until after Luck pulled out, tho... Rumors luck wouldn't come out started late in the college season... Before Cams meteoric rise it was Gabbert vs Dareus. What a mistake either would have been! Glad I was wrong about Cam hahaa.

Plus the promise of a new coach... There was a lot to hope for in a new Panthers chapter. 2010 was also the year a bunch of us got personal calls from Richardson for writing angry emails about the team, too. It was a different time.

2010 was worse in season imo, but we all knew the pain was temporary. If you think 2021 is bad wait until Rhule 2022... It can always get worse...

I wouldn't be upset with missing the playoffs this year if the team was competitive but due to one or two pieces we just weren't there yet... But it isn't. No identity, no toughness. It's a dumpster fire. Rhule needs to fuging go.

Rhule is bound to Sam and needs to make excuses. He mortgaged assets for him. He sucks, Rhule sucks. Clean the house... That said ...Although Rhule is definitely coddling Sam and has been harsher on Cam, my understanding was that he finally broke down last press conference and said you couldn't evaluate either guy because of how bad protections been. I didn't watch Rhule's answer itself, though, so I may be wrong.

In limited action he's shown he is still very good... Maybe a ton is an exaggeration though. The point about wanting to stay local may also matter though.

It'll be interesting to see how negotiations with Reddick and Gilmore go... Both could command a ton of money but supposedly have bought into rhules culture lol.

No better way for us to end up with a chance at a true franchise QB than to retain Rhule, go OL in the first this year, and start Darnold in all 17 (okay with his injury history it's gonna be more like 12) games next year. Our new coach will have a perfect opportunity to build around a great prospect with a top 5 (maybe even top 3 if Sammy stays healthy) pick in 2023. Alternatively kick Rhule to the curb and find another way... Which is my preference so we don't lose a year of player development.

Ugh man he'll just draft Pickett and start him and run him into the ground... I feel like they can't let this dude decide on a third (fourth? Fifth? Depending on how you count it) qb to try to save his job.

So I see competitive as different from contending. I think we were competitive most of Rivera's tenure in that we could threaten any team on a week to week basis, but only contenders in a couple seasons. The way I see it, with the right coach and QB you can contend often... Even a mediocre coach with a decent roster can keep a team competitive, but you need both the coach AND the QB to go from competitive to contending regularly imo. So for instance a good coach could have made this team competitive, maybe even make the playoffs. But they'll need a star QB to really contend. My one hope is Rhule's ineptitude, if kept for 2022, will grant us an opportunity for such a star QB.

I think this roster, with some good FA and draft acquisitions, can be competitive as it was early this year. Not saying playoffs, but I think we at least could start to build something. Do need a new QB for anything consistent tho, but even a stopgap vet FA (assuming a couple guard upgrades heh) could keep us competitive imo. With a different fuging coaching staff anyway. This one is done.

He was, but he also was in over his head. I think that he'd be good on a staff with tons of NFL experience and ideally with a successful former OC to learn from. But I think this was just too big a jump for him. He'll land on his feet some place I bet. He frequently got plays in too slowly and he seemed totally unable to adjust to anything defenses did in 2 seasons, which was a huge problem. Players were frequently out of position and it was clear we weren't practicing for critical moments like the red zone enough... He failed to take advantage of what we had too. As the team regressed in year 2, coaching seemed to really be at fault. He really relied heavily on a healthy CMC...

Better than Paradis but still not good overall I think... He's not the worst on the OL at least but that isn't saying a ton. It's also hard to tell what is the C vs what is the Gs sometimes. But I'm no OL expert either.

Their play on the field is doing plenty of talking.