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ND is single handedly making me less interested in college football. It's gross to promise a team a spot like that. If they want in the playoffs join a conference or keep sitting on the sidelines.

No, they bottled up our run game and Bryce couldn't execute down field Edit: Rico had 18 carries for 50 yards.

He was off all day but he's a good QB and has been solid for much of the season. He's made plays. He may not be elite imo but he's very good still.

Hahaha what a way to end the game

Both these QBs are not taking the easy completions

I mean Id hope not. He can't get THAT much worse.

Nobody wants the football

Nah, I just mean this game. They're playing pretty well overall tonight.

On the other hand the Eagles defense looks legit

Two turnovers by Hurts on one play lmao

Man Hurts does not look very good

It is a prove it deal but he's sorta proving he can't handle the load all season. I dont know anyone will overpay for a back that can't carry that load.

This is some mighty huge bullshit. Join a fuging conference if you want to go to the playoffs.

Never seen that before

I hope he makes a full recovery and can contribute on the field... I think that is ultimately unlikely though.

LOL Mahomes You're a troll. You have to be.

Completion percentage depends on the offense and type of QB. So no I don't care about a raw comparison lol. If you don't know what I mean by that I don't know what to tell you. As to Baker, this is the second time you've ignored me and claimed I didn't say something when I did. I'm going to just stop r spending to that crap soon but on the possibility you are just missing these things in good faith - "Baker Mayfield is 11th in QBR, 14th in yards despite the TON of injuries that offense has had, 10th in QB rushing yards, 12th in TDs (and above the average in TD% lol), 25th in INTs (league average would be something like 16th). So yes, he's quite a bit ahead of the average in many categories." Rushing yards by a QB DO matter. You'd think Panthers fans would know that. Some of Bryce's best plays have come when he uses his legs too, and some of that IS yards on the ground. And the reality is that Tampa has had crazy injury issues and if you look at Bakers career he is unquestionably more successful than Bryce and above average at that. This year his top 3 WRs have all missed considerable time and whose best player on offense hasn't played almost all year...

Absolutely over a decade there are fewer yards thrown per game. I was mostly responding to the OP about shifting priorities for teams and how the stability in recent times and continued emphasis on QB makes that seem unlikely to me.

You aren't worried about rushing numbers and I'm not worried about completion percentages... Mayfield is a kind of QB that will always have a lower completion percentage. Mayfield is also not a superstar, but he's good, and he also had had an offense that was completely ravaged by injuries this year. Over Mayfield's career, he has a 95.4, 94.2, and 83.1 QB rating on 1st, 2nd, 3rd down. This year he's at 88.9, 106.6, 87.3. Bryce's career he is 88, 72.5, 75.7 on 1st/2nd/3rd; this year he's 94.4, 80.1, 73.4 Stats are relatively useless but when a player is below average in virtually everything, it tells you a lot about their general performance. I am still holding out hope he improves but you sound like you'd be content with 2025 Bryce playing for us for the next decade. He is clutch on 4th, meh on other downs, but yeah he has a great TD%. I hope he improves, but I am getting skeptical. He is so inconsistent.

That's true, but last year was only 1 yard less than 2022 / 2023 basically (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm )... This year may bounce up - the average this week was above the 212. We'll see though.

No, it is. The article claims that 2022 had YPG of 228. That is incorrect. See https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/index.htm , 2022 average yards 218 (well 218.5), https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/index.htm 2021 average yards 228. 2024 was the mid season number, which went up later in the season.

The article unfortunately has incorrect numbers. See https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/index.htm, 2022 average yards 218 (well 218.5), https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/index.htm 2021 average yards 228. So we went from 218 in 2022, to 219 in 2023, to 217 in 2024, to ?? in 2025. My point was that is hardly a drop off over that duration / the last few years... So yes, long term decline, but in the recent time we've not really lost many yards per game.. We will see how this year finishes out. With Burrow back, he alone may elevate those averages lol. As to QBs throwing for yards, of the 6 starters that are throwing for more than 250 yards per game, they are a combined 48-26-1, so I'd argue that 250 yards in the air per game gives you a real good chance. In contrast, starting QBs averaging less than 200 are all on losing teams - other than Aaron Rodgers and Bryce Young.

I didn't fail to bring up Caleb Williams, re-read my post. I said he's an unknown. He's a 2nd year starter on a team winning games, but are they winning because of him? Hard to say, but he is contributing. Baker Mayfield is 11th in QBR, 14th in yards despite the TON of injuries that offense has had, 10th in QB rushing yards, 12th in TDs (and above the average in TD% lol), 25th in INTs (league average would be something like 16th). So yes, he's quite a bit ahead of the average in many categories. Bryce is only ahead of the average in specific situational stats (4th down, GWD, 4QCB) and in TDs. And yes, he's done well on 4th down, but in contrast his 2nd and 3rd down passing rating is awful. Meanwhile, nearly every other player you listed is ahead of the average in multiple categories. Also, on their careers, Mahomes is still ahead of Bryce in 4th quarter passer rating (108 vs 105). But Bryce is great there. Of course Mahomes is phenomenal on every down, but Bryce doesn't need to be Mahomes. I just hope he finds his way to being a better QB for us.

basically forced himself to go for it on the second fourth down because of that first one

Stroud with an incredible play to avoid a sack and deliver the ball down field