mav1234

I agree with your overall point but given our QB situation for the last near decade... and I suppose it depends what you mean by great, but Delhomme was a pretty damn good QB for a few years, and in a time when passing was much more difficult. Part of that was the crazy Smitty chemistry, but he also just had that knack for finding something out of seemingly nothing. Anyway I do agree with how impressive what Dowdle is doing is!

He played great - well deserved!

Barring a major turnaround, it seems highly unlikely they pick up his 5th. I expect us to limp to around .500 with meh Bryce, being carried by Rico. If he shows some promise and we get into the playoffs he's probably gonna get it, but I firmly believe we can't make the playoffs without him playing at a much higher level.

I would move Teddy up to #5 or #6 tbh.

I don't think he did best us, but... Drake Maye throws for 200 yards and has 3 total TDs vs us... Panthers fans: Drake Maye didn't beat us! Also Panthers fans when Bryce Young has 100 yards and an INT: Bryce Young lead us to victory!

This is where I am... No matter what I want a decent backup / veteran option

I'm not all in on drafting a QB with our first, but I'm not against it if there's one our scouts like that is legitimately at the top of our board where we pick. I just don't want to reach.

I don't care how we win either, but I care how a QB plays when it comes to his future with the team. At this point we don't have any other option so that's what most of us are thinking about if he doesn't improve. Also... It's extremely disingenuous to act like those numbers are why people loved Jake. After the 181 game and before that 148 yard game he had a 362 yard 2 TD game (in a loss too!) in a very different league. Had he basically consistently put up numbers like you highlighted we'd never have stuck with him. He had 2 300 yard games in that season and he averaged 200 ypg that year. He was a huge part of some wins and not others... But his shots deep were a big part of keeping the running game going. Different era entirely though.

No. We haven't. You're going to take your Anthony Richardson and you're going to like it!

2200 yards, 17 TDs. 2000 yards, 17 TDs.... 1400 yards, 11 TDs... Ugh.

Someone in previous thread said the media dam is breaking on Young. And I think they're right. At some point we will need to have him do more.

I agree with you. Bryce hasn't backed us into a corner. His play is so so. Now Tepper or whomever may insist we give him a fifth year option which could force us into a corner if his play improved a lot

Wow, the defense must have been terrible for Bryce to need yet another game winning drive!

Saw this show up in my new feed. Nice to see a couple of our rookies making it into the top 5 so far, even if it is a pff measure... From https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-15-rookies-week-9-2025 ... 4. TE Mitchell Evans, Carolina Panthers (78.7) Evans struggled in the Panthers’ tight win over the Packers, finishing with a 41.8 PFF overall grade — third worst among tight ends this week. He was not targeted in the game and played only one snap in pass protection. He did log 15 run-blocking snaps, and although he earned a 68.9 PFF run-blocking grade in zone looks (seven snaps), his 39.0 mark in gap schemes (second worst for the week) dragged him down to a 46.6 PFF run-blocking grade overall — sixth worst for the week. Despite seeing zero targets over his past two games, Evans still leads the Carolina tight end group with a 74.3 PFF receiving grade. He has caught all nine of his targets for 90 yards, six first downs and two touchdowns. Evans also leads the Panthers’ tight end group in PFF run-blocking grade (72.2). He has recorded a 20.5% positive play rate across 175 snaps. 5. WR Tetairoa McMillan, Carolina Panthers (78.6) McMillan had a better day against the Packers, recording four catches for 46 yards. Most of that production came in the first quarter via two 16-yard catches — one of which he snatched from Carrington Valentine’s hands, who was in perfect position to break up the pass. McMillan accounted for three first downs on the day, although Green Bay was able to limit his impact after the catch, holding him to 0.8 yards after the catch per reception. McMillan now has 41 catches for 558 yards — a top-15 mark. He is also tied for second with 19 explosive gains of 15-plus yards. Three of McMillan’s catches against the Packers came between the numbers, bringing him to 22 for 318 yards and 19 first downs (tied for second most) this season. He owns a 26.1% threat rate and a 76.6 PFF receiving grade between the numbers. He also ranks in the top 10 in explosive gains (10) and yards after the catch per reception (5.5) within that area of the field.

At least we don't need to hear overreacting about towels ...

Bryce Young

Was just about to go find this. Bryce was never a deep ball specialist.

There's like 1 poster satisfied with his performance. Even his most ardent supporters in the past agreed he needs to be better.

I don't get trading away all of your best players on both sides of the ball. You need SOMETHING to build off of in the future. I think the Sauce trade was really good, but this kinda firesale just seems like a bad idea.

Sure but then you also have to consider his overall record...

it was ridiculous to see how Dalton did after starting multiple games last year and go, "Yup, that's our backup." This offseason was pretty good overall, but that was a terrible decision.

Even PFF has him as one of the worst players in a Panthers uniform on Sunday... and I feel like he usually does decently with PFF, lol

There is a scheme component, but Canales was also HC last year. I think that Canales is playing to his QB, too. This year Bryce is having little success after his first read, so that may be part of the decision making in what routes are being run. I'm not sure. Bryce himself hasn't looked as good 15-20 yards as he did end of last year either. Fwiw, Dalton is not strong armed at all anymore either.

Oh definitely, we are in a better situation. Now if you're saying which QB do I want for a season in a bubble, different thing. But ideally I'd be able to choose someone else lol.

tbf I think we're just arguing a couple relative positions of "suckage" so it's a bit silly at this point, sorry, lol