mav1234

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By meh plays I mean plays that aren't necessarily mistakes, but aren't really doing much, either. With this game, Bryce probably will be equal to or lower than last year, but entering the game he was throwing ints on 2.5% of throws, which was his highest of his career. edit: Bryce has also had more fumbles this year than last in total, though of course he's played more this year too.

This is where I'm at. Sure he didn't lose the game, but the point is it's extraordinarily hard to win with how he usually plays.

Yes, every QB has bad plays. Bryce just happens to have more plays that are meh than most others, which is why he is one of the worst starting QBs in the league. The thing is, in a game that means this much, with a chance to maintain a division lead - Bryce was just another guy. And his limitations where on full display. That's what I mean. It's why i think he's a problem. And while yes, he wasn't the reason we lost or anything like that... I would like us to have a QB that is a bigger part of why we win than what Bryce is usually capable of.

Dunno man. Two of the better QBs in the league, while not being shut out, didn't throw for 300. So I don't think that Bryce does. Evero definitely is in my proverbial doghouse right now, and our inability to get pressure is a major problem, but I don't think think Bryce would play better than the best QBs we've played vs our defense.

I don't know, man. This game is the same as every other game of us - he moves well in the pocket and escapes well, but he can't find the middle of the field and his ball placement often leaves something to be desired. he did have some great scrambles and a great throw to Coker, but every QB in the NFL can do those things.

I'm not really sure, tbqh. Our weakness as a D is often the middle of the field, and Bryce has huge trouble throwing to the middle of the field.

He made plenty of throws into coverage and/or that were contested (hence why Jackson was able to knock two balls out with hits after reception). Plus he can actually threaten the middle of the field from the pocket. But the funny part is I don't even want Shough necessarily - it's just that he looks way ahead of Bryce already.

I don't know how you can watch games and not see him as an issue. His physical limitations impact every aspect of our offensive gameplan. I don't think he was "the issue" or "the / a reason" we lost. But he's clearly limited, and was just massively outplayed by a rookie (I mean given people last week claimed he outplayed Stafford I feel this is fair game, lol).

I agree re: coaching, though to some extent, players just need to know better too. Where I think coaching failed completely was on situational playcalling.

Yes and we didn't score the rest of the game. They had more opportunities than that first drive, they just couldn't execute.

He wasn't the #1 reason why we lost but you can really see his limitations when teams have played him a bunch.

Honestly this was one of the most embarrassing games to watch as a Panthers fan. The players just continually fuged themselves over.

He also should have taken the points when we were up by 7. A two score game in the 4th is a huge difference. Edit: And FWIW, if we were the ones down, I would agree with his call to go for it there. But when you're up, it is often better to take the points.

We went into the half with a lead and we came out of it and did actually score in the 3rd quarter. The offense failed on multiple drives to put points on the board.

Evero's play calls were shitty and multiple defensive players committed CRITICAL errors. But they still only gave up 20 points, which we should have been able to win with.

I'd probably put the players to #1, then Evero, then Canales and Bryce tied... but if you think Bryce is #4 I wouldn't really dispute that. I think he is really physically limited and it is showing in our playcalling.

Bryce can't execute, so... Canales deserves quite a bit of the blame, but when your QB is so physically limiting that he can't frequently throw 20 yards down the middle of the field, or pick up a yard on the ground, you're in trouble. His best players are when he rolls out and plays break down, but that's very hard to make work.

Bryce deserves a chunk of the blame. You can't win with a QB playing like he does reliably. Yes it happens once in a while, but he's so incredibly inconsistent that you never know what you're going to get week to week. He didn't lose us the game today or anything like that - the undisciplined mistakes of players did.

possibly the worst QB situation in the NFC South, maybe the Falcons are worse but I'm not sure. And of course Bryce will be back next year even when we crash out of contention for the division since the pressure is on.

The players are undisciplined as fug, it's that simple. The game wasn't rigged. It was player after player making critical mistakes. When it happens that much, it's on the coaching. This is after a bye.

If we're all honest with ourselves, we know Bryce isn't a very good QB. He requires very specific timing and routes to succeed and defenses can take those away. Canales, though, blew the game.

I mean it was a personal foul. Ransom went for a hit when he shouldn't have. Dude didn't even slide late.

Evero is fuging garbage. What the fug is that formation?

Hell yeah Horn, MORE OF THAT