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Those QBs were also playing much more aggressive and accounting for more offensive production. Thats got to be part of a turnover convo. Brett Favre having 15 INTs and Bridgewater having 15 INTs aren’t going to represent the same in reality

last 2 weeks really make things hard to sort of figure out what we got going on this year. In terms of what the D really is and isn't and probably the same for the run game.

yep. Rico Dowdle extended Bryce Young's audition. If not for Rico......and the next game being Dallas? You got to think Tepper/Canales shelf him again like last year if Rico didn't flip that game on it's head. That's how that was reading.

I mean, there is what I think. Then there is what I think the Panthers think. and I think the Panthers have consistently shown that their thinking and decision-making in the Tepper era at the QB spot is what they are worst at. We are keeping Cam. No, Cam is gone. Teddy is here. We have a plan. Forget that plan, Teddy insulted us. We have Sam. I mean, we have Baker. I mean, we sold the farm for the #1 overall pick and we will figure out who we want. Bryce is the guy. 2 games into year 2, the Bryce ride is over. Wait a minute, we had to bring him back and now we are going to give him a year 3.

I don't think premium paid matters at this stage. Think the rest of league has established that. We have seen top 10 QBs moved on from after just 1 year. We have seen massive trade's at at the top moved on from too. Teams can't afford to waste time. I mean, it's not all just Bryce in a vacuum. Biggest issue is the front office in this equation. Maybe he would be less of an issue to move on from if they prioritized their QB roster and it would have already sort of taken care of itself.....if they added young QBs and real competition for the spot. we are sort of unique in how how competition-less our roster is given how iffy the #1 spot was going into this season and last. Sort of why they tried to move on from him last year and couldn't pull it off.

PJ Walker is the only QB in the Tepper era the Panthers managed to find wins with. Only QB w/ a winning record. PJ had success in pro ball before the Panthers. He he had NFL tools. He just is inconsistent and unreliable. PJ Walker is what you call a bad/poor man's gunslinger. He can provide highs and lows both virtually guaranteed. He is NFL depth. Bryce Young hasn't proven to improve a teams chances of winning better than the PJ Walker tier of QBing. PJ Walker can do things Bryce Young can't......and that's a problem

It's hard to say the QB position in overvalued.....when you look at the night and day difference of a football team when Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow suddenly can't suit up for their team. Ravens magically went from averaging 32 points per game to 6 points per game. I mean, it takes at team to win games. But there is no more impactful position in the NFL than QB. A really great QB to a below average QB creates wild swings in football.

I'm sure the Bryce fanboys deem me co chair of the haters club. But I was once a champion for Bryce and argued the Panthers were setting him up to fail (and the all star staff Frank Reich crew came for me then) lol. I supported the org going all in on Bryce and a Bryce offense. They opted not to do that and I merely accepted that reality.

hell, the huddle literally attacked, insulted, and ran Dan Morgan (a real live Panther trying to be involved) away back in the day (who was nothing but awesome here). But some say those were the glory days and it's bad here because there is in-depth and persistent criticisms about Bryce Young's physical tools, ball placement, and throws and lack of production/success (and through all that, Bryce Young the human being is almost literally never attacked).

I will die on that hill more so than Bryce Young being bad. and in reality, given how unproductive the Bryce Panthers have been, the chances he has gotten, the cost, etc of Bryce Young? Bryce really doesn't even get it that bad. Wish we had access to old Clausen threads. Tommy Jone Jake threads. Heck, Matt Moore threads. The huddle isn't worse today. The Tepper biggest difference is.....the Panthers just have never given us a break from the losing. So there is no swing.

I bet if Teddy was still here today.....how much you disliked bringing him in would be talked about more and differently. the years stack. Unless the Panthers actually start trending the other direction.....talk will remain trending in the direction it has been IMO. This is the worst window in our history and the board is going to reflect that (which IMO is normal for fan site). The real issue should be with the guy in my avatar.

it's pretty simple IMO. The Tepper Panthers are the most unsuccessful professional sports team in all of sports. The problem isn't the posters here have changed ( I still content people falsely romanticize the old days). The product dictates the atmosphere more than anything. In reality, the daily convos about THE worst team in all of pro sports on a fanatics site....is going to feature harsh and critical convo. Only one entity can actually change that. It's the Carolina Panthers football team. if you are the most unsuccessful professional sports teams (Tepper's Panthers are that).....and a place like this isn't filled with very critical thoughts? Well, you probably don't actually have a real fanbase IMO.

if you believe he is watching every NFL game.....every week.....go right ahead. I get it, he said something you like. But that's like believing the talking heads on the ESPN shows are watching all the games. You think Stephen A is watching the Panthers every Sunday too? If Stephen A needs to go on First Take he certainly can pretend like he has watched every snap any player on the roster has taken lol. No one is that isn't a Panther fan has been watching the 9-25 career go down every Sunday. Or even a lot of Sunday's. You know who knows more about Bryce Young than Long? The collective huddle. What they are reviewing is stat sheets, highlights and in summaries. It's an old formula lol.

Yeah, you can pick out 11 games from Bryce’s rookie season….where he accounted for just 3 total TDs. Hmmm….pretty sure that’s most definitely was Jimmy-esque. It was historically bad QB play from Bryce. Like I said, he would have been gone after his rookie season if he cost a 2nd round pick. No second season. Bringing up Cam and Jake is the wild part. Bryce isn’t better than PJ freaking Walker

Double check Bryce’s rookie season. Bryce is more comparable to Pickles than Jake or Cam. Continuing to bring up Cam and Jake is wild. Bryce would have already been gone if he cost a second round pick. That’s a fact. He essentially was after 2 games into year 2 but the FO fugged it up

Delhomme also played in an era where defenders could maul his WRs. And Delhomme was a gunslinger. Which means you get the mix of BIG plays and costly plays with that. Bryce still gives you the costly plays WITHOUT being a gunslinger….which is why he isn’t Jake

Jake went to the Super Bowl his first season. Bryce has 1 road win in year 3. Bryce isn’t present day Jake

Probably has something to do with the fact we have moved on from guys at this stage….Bryce still being trotted out there because of a reallly bad over investment

What didn’t you root harder for Jimmy Clausen? By Bryce logic, everyone should have shunned the idea of drafting Cam Newton. Drafted a WR instead. Given Jimmy more support. pessimism is only frowned upon on the huddle when it is applied to select people. A lot of the same folks that deem people pessimistic for pooing on a really bad QB….poo on all sorts of different Panthers and coaches. Bryce doesn’t have traditional NFL tools and has been really bad overall going into his 3rd season. It’s not being a pessimist at this stage to be tired of the little engine that really can’t

Jets do have a top 5 rushing offense. Think both teams will have mirror image goals and game plans.

regardless, we are about to learn a lot about Dave Canales this week or next in terms of the ole Wally Pip argument. Some coaches believe injury shouldn't allow for someone to take your job, good coaches play the best player.

I'll be honest. I'm not sure I want to see any those guys returning right now given what others are presently doing.... minus Coker. Hubbard returning likely messes the run game up (I mean, it's going to come down regardless but he still), Tremble and Evans actually are doing well, Corbett seems to make us worse up front, and the D has made some strides. I'd like to just keep that whole lot on the shelf this week.

I always loved DJ Moore. I don't see him wanting to comeback here. He seems to be tired of inconsistent QB play and you finally see that bubbling over in Chicago. or maybe he just doesn't like the people. He actually seemed fine with Fields.....and lobbied for them not to draft Caleb. So maybe it's just a Caleb issue (and I think Caleb might have tons of baggage/issues that rub folks wrong)

national media folks forced to talk about Carolina (a team none of them watch) this week simply because Dallas went down.

I'd bet you a dollar Long hasn't watched 3 Panther Bryce Young games in his life lol. Unless you are a Tampa, Falcons, Saints fan....no one outside Carolina has.