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winning culture?

Optimism? At this point i think it is some weird football masochism (I had to google what enjoying pain is)

Wishful thinking. Rico got less than 7 carries vs SF. He only got 6

Heck, they might want to gamble on Seattle instead of the Saints. In 5 career games vs the Saints, Bryce has never sniffed a 200 yard game and of everyone we played this year….and the Saints held us to our least amount of offense on the year. Saints get Bryce. They are the polar opposite of Atlanta treat the Seahawks like the 2005 Panthers and but Horn with help on the only WR Darnold throws at and just hope bad Darnold makes an appearance.

Dave can leave with Bryce for all I care. Morgan too. But Bryce as the starting QB has to be a no go going forward.

because why would you want 2026 to be a camp battle of Bryce Young vs someone else? no team goes out and finds a new starter, and then moves a Bryce Young to backup. It's locker room dynamics and in house problems. Bryce literally was brought in to be the franchise QB and is wearing the C patch presently.

pretty sure he only did it once time in his career.....and that was when the local boy was in Charlotte as a nod of respect to his childhood QB.

I just keep the main thing the main thing. The equivalent here would be you raging about Joe Brady needing to be fired. Me saying, Matt Rhule is the issue and firing Joe Brady doesn't address the biggest issue at hand and won't actually matter. Which is a dance I did then too. You then call me a Joe Brady apologist because I wouldn't get away from Matt Rhule being THE problem. the main problem is Bryce Young and his supporters in the front office. Until that changes, nothing matters. Canales being a weak OC in over his head? Time and a place. You can go check my threads from preseason where I blasted amateur hour Canales for not calling plays. He needed work because he isn't good. But that's not the biggest issue we got. Like I said, nothing really matters big picture until Bryce Young and his backers address THE problem. Which is the QB. I have gone into painful detail about the entire Dave scheme is dependent on a QB bailing out a meh scheme and approach. I didn't want Dave. Dave is Foxball in reality. Which is what Pete did in Seattle in reality. It's the same approach and it needs a QB to bail it out. You want me to bash stuff I addressed long ago. I'm no Dave fan. But the biggest issue for the Carolina Panthers is Bryce. I want the outcome that leads to Bryce Young not being retained. That's what is best for the Carolina Panthers. You want 2 more pointless wins notched onto a meaningless season if it means just another completely pointless season tied to Bryce? Not me.

I'm not painting Frank as some poor helpless victim. If John Fox were to look like he couldn't coach an 10 year old rec team.......it's not because John Fox is a mentally challenge clown that doesn't know football suddenly. There would be a glaring issue that isn't John Fox at play. It's just reality acknowledging. It's the same old song and dance here. It's Groundhog Day in terms of talking about the most glaring issue at any moment in time. Constantly making excuses for Canales? I've rarely ever have said a nice world about him. I didn't like the hire. I don't like his O. I don't like him being the OC/HC. And I trashed the entire setup going into this season just like I did going into last season. my profile pic is what it is for a reason. Nothing we can do about the Tepper problem. Wasted talk. So I move on to the ones we can do something about. So the biggest issue remains, Bryce and the folks in the front office that will have the worst draft pick of all time (all things factored) attached to their names in the NFL history books. Until you solve that, nothing matters.

No. It's Matt Rhule and it's not close.

Frank got a dude forced on him who couldn't do NFL basics. And we know factually, NFL coaches often are made to do things. We know often they don't get there way. That's called having a job and a boss. Those aren't excuses. People make up this mythical NFL world. Canales LITERALLY ended Bryce's Young's career here 2 games into the Canales era. That is the reality. Then there was that miracle climb out of the grave stupidity that Dan Morgan allowed by not solving the issue like the entire sports world was debating (where would he be traded to and for how much). The "benching to fix him" narrative is comical PR. Every year it's the same poo. Obvious problems are obvious. But we do all these mental gymnastics to pretend the obvious isn't the obvious. It's well documented. The problem was Matt Rhule. Majority of the board spent years spinning it elsewhere. Then the obvious problem was Fitterer. Repeat. Board spent years spinning it elsehwere and deflecting. Obvious problem right now is Bryce Young and the front office that refuses to admit they made one of the worst moves in the history of the NFL. Because when it is finally said and done.....THAT will be a fact. And that fact, will be attached to resume of a lot of people presently employed in the front office of BOA. The main problem is not Canales. And I don't blame him for not trying to win every game he possibly can as ugly as possible in spite of Bryce Young. That carries too high of odds of keeping the main problem the main problem....and screws Canales in the end. Canales will be fired next season if he can't get this group to move off Bryce Young. That's the easiest thing to see.

lot folks IMO are really late to this Bryce Young problem. Also the problem that Bryce Young doesn't fit at all with Dave Canales. I have been preaching both since before week 1 of the 2024 season kicked off. And going into this year, I preached this entire season echoed Matt Rhule's pointless final season but it's Bryce. Here we are. And Dave is screwed. Whatever you want him to do.....there is a real negative attached to it. That's by our own design. and the heart of our issues IMO, is our the front office folks. The management and windows they put us in. It's been that way since Marty Hurney left. Grass ain't always greener. That's not a pro Hurney statement. Two biggest Tepper blunders, Matt Rhule.....followed by Fitterer. And we we still have the Fitterer problem given his team stayed.

Dave Canales isn't the GM. He doesn't get to just go out and do whatever he wants with the roster. We got 2 back to back coaches that have pretty much let this front office know from the jump they didn't want Bryce. Both Frank and Dave did that IMO. Early. Bryce is still here. NFL is a stupid ego driven crazy mom and pop shop world. We got front office problems. Dave Canales ain't swinging that Andy Reid weight around with an organization.

For a completely washed Dalton with a busted thumb on his throwing hand? Morgan fugged Dave. Dave might suck. But he is fugged at the QB spot from the jump this year with nowhere to go. So going to Dalton doesn't do anything but set Dave up to look bad. I mean, Hubbard should of started over Rico to start the season. I get the switch wasn't flawless but I sort of get that being a little muddy. Hubbard is probably the actual leader on that O. That's a tough pull. I think Canales is in a really tough spot. We fug it all up. The right path was moving on from Bryce after 2 weeks into the Canales era. They almost had it right. We should of never gone into this season w/ Bryce it was always going to be a pointless mess. I think Dave is in a can't win situation. Playing to win has a lot of bad in the big picture. Not hiding Bryce is bad. He has no real option to bench Bryce.

I think a good coach.....basically going into the 49ers game could of coached this team into a 8 or 9 win season when all is said and done. but that good coach, is screwed because Bryce Young is going to be the starting QB in 2026 if that goes down. And in 2026, you maybe don't get the same easy schedule setup for your hide the QB approach. And you are suddently a 4 win team trying to run Rico all game.

I could totally see Cam Newton going to town......on some modern age version of the Cam Newton/Auburn situation. Just make the "thing" something other than pay to play. And make the NFL thing something other than a towel on the head. I mean, that really is the world Cam Newton wants to be living in today.

I don’t think Canales has a lot of real big support at all. I think his “supporters” are at the most extreme really just luke warm at best with him. but Bryce Young is his QB. Bryce made the John Fox of offensive coaching Frank Reich look unqualified to coach a 8 year old girls rec flag football team.

I think Canales sees the obvious. Think he saw it from the jump. It’s why Bryce Young’s career was essentially ended after 2 games into the season last year. what do you want him to do? It’s a no win situation for him. I think not hiding Bryce and therefore not getting the handful of extra and meaningless wins is the right call in the big picture. Only way to get the org to let him get a QB room that fits the O next year. Every year bodies are available to help teams with QB holes. Only way to put Bryce behind us….to let games like MNF play out

Dave IMO does know what he wants to be......it's the coaching tree and offense he has been part of his entire career. He can't do that And so you got a weak coach from that philosophy trying to make it without the required QB. And the QB in that offense, basically is someone that makes up and overcomes the actual offenses aren't actually good by design. To an extent is is run the ball and have your QB make some aggressive plays downfield. Dave is in no man's land. You can't run to setup the 5 yarder.

I loved Cam Newton the Carolina Panther. He is my Carolina GOAT w/ Luke. In fact, I loved the version that was the most heavily criticized version of him. The dude that pouted. Towel on the head. That hated to lose. I always thought all that was actually a great thing for us. We needed that injected into the franchise. Cam for me sort of is like Jake Delhomme. The versions at the end were very much different than the versions at the start. I got little interest in the Cam Newton of today trying to make as online/TV personality. I don't care for that guy.

there is a reason, NFL teams don't do that though. It creates weird dynamics. There is no point, having the #1 overall QB, who was drafted to be the franchise, who is presently wearing the C patch on his jersey......to occupy the role as the #2. You simply move on from him. You just trade him for peanuts. You move on. What is the rationale for keeping him rostered and how does that outweigh the negatives for keeping him. Bryce Young doesn't compare to all these random QBs with elite NFL QB traits. He has never shown their highs or tools. The we have to keep him so he doesn't go somewhere do make us look dumb mentality just ain't something I endorse. He doesn't have the tools to go make us look stupid elsewhere.

I mean, sure, he has made a mess of the football situation with his hires. I'm just saying, he is often overused to take the blame of others who ALSO are bad at their jobs. We see that often. Not just with Tepper. I mean, how many people did we scapegoat and try to give all the blame to before we admitted Matt Rhule was bad at his job. Same for Fitterer. Tepper's other pro team has gone to the postseason in back to back years now. Think they set a MLS record this year too. And they have barely existed. Tepper is not crafting the roster and shaping the team. Others do that for him. The QB room is the way it is because of the big picture hires of David Tepper. But on a practical football level discussion about why we suck at the QB spot and going forward, we got to talk about Dan Morgan. He is the dude doing the bad job there. I'm not trying to deflect any blame from Tepper. I just can't stand how Dan Morgan gets the pass he gets from some and the narrative......Tepper is calling the QB room, and this weird Morgan mantra that he somehow is silently against everything he part of building (not saying that is you but it exists here) I think with a good staff and QB, no one would care about David Tepper. I think Tepper has now limited his ability to get the good staff in the front office and sidelines. In hindsight, the Matt Rhule hire.....might go down as the biggest error in Panther history. Because it's all a snowball from that bad hire.

I still contend no well run team would have him on the roster next year. You got to move on from him. And you can't put the #1 overall pick, 3 year starter as the backup...that creates horrific in house dynamics.

I do think there is a win/lose aspect he is presently in with his QB situation. Let's say he does some really good Steve Wilks play ugly to win coaching......with a really ugly game plan beats SF (which we could have), gets New Orleans, and a Tampa game. Completely minimizes Bryce Young. well, that would have put him at 9-8 on the season. And then......Bryce Young is going nowhere. Maybe Morgan replaces Dalton but the Bryce conundrum gets even worse. Now you go that 5th year. and we know Bryce is going to get unfair credit. He already gets absurd credit for anything that goes okay. you are to an extent damned if you do if you are Canales IMO. I want them all gone. I just don't think Tepper can get the hire. I think the only way Tepper can get a good hire....is to give a decent coach way more power than Tepper would like.