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I mean, give me a random team and I need to win a game....give me Tyrod.

I wouldn't be shocked if Rivers had 1 surprising opening decent game in him. But that arm hasn't seen work in a half decade. He gonna pull a Brian St Pierre and blow it out after a game lol

yeah, 7 years of college football at 3 power 5 schools. You got to think he is at least mentally ahead of a lot of rookies.

I mean, we talking the Panthers current starting QB vs 3rd stringers on horrible teams? Ok. Give Bryce the win there.

To win a game tomorrow? Or factoring in looking beyond the now. so if I’m the Jets, I view Tyrod as better than Bryce to win a game tomorrow. But if you are looking at anything besides that, no reason not to play over Taylor just to see if Bryce looked different away and if you thought you could do what all teams think they can do with other people’s QBs

Renfrow is just sort of a 1 of 1 on the roster. No real comparable. If you ask him to play like others he will be lesser. You have to want to do what he does. That was never the Canales O nor did it suit with Bryce. I think there usage/development of Jimmy Horn has really stunk. It's like they had one gimmick and then that was it. Outside of that really random ball he caught early on. But, scheming up gimmick Jimmy Horn plays is probably a bad use of a pass down given what our O is. Really just need to keep it basic. Progression should be Tmac, Coker and probably RB in the pass game as the big 3 pass options.

Saints are the polar opposite of the Falcons when it comes to Bryce Young. It just is what it is at this point. One team brings out the best variant of Bryce and one brings out the worst. Saints D is also really rolling of late. Top 5 in EPA of the last month (actually to top 2). And are very much having a a similar defensive rebound off last year like the Panthers. One QB will lose this game for their team IMO more so than the other can win it.

Did Rico have a bad game vs the 49ers or did Dave Canales? Rico averaged 6+ yards per carry and Canales said he was trying to make Bryce a thing. and I think Rico being critical of Dave made Dave immediately go back to a 50/50 split. Because from the jump, Dave went heavy Hubbard early after that game almost begging Hubbard to give him a reason.

I mean, I am a certified Sheduer hater. But you could argue he is a more natural fit for Canales than Bryce. Sanders wants the big shot.

I think the real shift isn't so much a return of the run.....it's the college pass game and simple offense coming to the NFL. that's nerfing the pass production. Paired w/ an increase of 2 high shell to take away the simplistic deep calls. Not so much the run has made a comeback. I mean, there are 3 teams over 140 rush yards a game this year......which is the same amount a decade ago.

I don't think there is any chance. I think the moment he sent that tweet that was critical of coaching, Canales immediately went back to a 50/50 backfield. Which stinks because Rico was my fantasy gamechanger that was putting me over the top

I mean, as a Renfrow guy I would like to see him. BUT, Renfrow serves no purpose outside of this year. Is he a better WR than Horn today at actually playing? Easily. But Bryce Young's ball placement is bad (the tiny WR seems to really highlight that) and Renfrow's best game is really carving up areas of the field Bryce Young can't see well. The argument that developing Jimmy Horn makes more sense but they aren't developing him. They seemed to quit that the week he got activated lol and he runs the same 3 plays on repeat (which is good for about 2 weeks in the NFL). I think we saw enough to know Renfrow still has it and if paired with a surgical quick game he would have had a nice role somewhere (but that ain't us).

I mean, if you look at Bryce’s history vs the Saints it’s some of his worst stuff. But it’s been across multiple staffs so who knows. but yeah, you are right to point out the blitz packages the Saints ran were unique. IMO they really served 2 functions…. 1. They were baiting Bryce. His early pick that was wiped for a late roughing the passer. They sent a blitz and if I recall right he essentially threw to that WR and coverage came from elsewhere. The other pick was the fake blitz where the fake blitzer went out and got the INT likely because Bryce can’t see over the G,T….. 2. On a lot of plays it also seemed like the actual blitzer was playing his predictable rolls out of the pocket to buy time when he doesn’t throw in rhythm. He always spins to the same side and generally that’s where the blitz was coming. it was a solid plan that worked. Not sure it’s repeatable. I mean, if Canales can’t beat it and they roll that out twice that’s bad on him but you are 100% right on Renfrow in theory makes a lot of sense but Bryce has negative chemistry with him and can’t put but the ball on him when wide open

That’s nice in theory, but Bryce can’t pit the ball on tiny Renfrow. But you are right. Renfrow would make a lot of sense if the Saints repeated the game plan for the first matchup over Horn but but probably makes more sense to just run it with Coker. whatever it is, and maybe some of it is player personnel given it extends beyond one staff but the the Saints have straight up had Bryce’s number better than anyone

really feels like both the Saints and Panthers D had the exact same gameplan last meeting. Put it on the opposing QB. Kamara sort of washed at this point. Hope they keep up the Taysom Hill experiment. That doesn't work this year off his injury and it just fugs up the flow of offense.

That sounds similar to the first strategy used one of 3 things needs to happen IMO 1.. Rico/Hubbard simply make plays and we lean on the run despite the Saints making the pass attractive. All takes is a hole vs a stacked box and it’s a huge play. 2. D just goes out and wins it. Think the first Atlanta game 3. Bryce/Canales go deep given is what the Saints give to be taken…..and it goes well vs bad

lol. I call Trevor Lawrence average at best and a bust of a pick. He was built in a robot lab so his ceiling is forever high. but yeah, if you have watched the Jags all season....the boneheaded QB has had his WRs drop a ton of balls (league leading). So for this particular year, it is worth mentioning given they lead the league and many have been huge. It's like when we talk about the stats Cam would have had and mention Ginn's huge drops. It's worth noting. Doesn't change the fact Trevor play the position dumb and always will.

Again, ONE stat doesn't make you below average or average. Bryce Young. EVERY. SINGLE. SEASON. is below average in all the major ways we judge QB production. I can repeat it for you if you would like. He is 25th on among qualifying QBs and you can go to ESPN. ESPN includes more QBs than the ones shown there. But again, you are fixated on Bryce making the epic ride from 25th to 22nd.....which is still below average and ignoring all his other below average production lol. and again, if Bryce Young doesn't deliver year in and year out below average production, then it isn't a thing and you are voiding it from existence. It's pretty simple

team are playing lots of 2 high shell trying to take away the big plays. But I mean, defenses being scared of QB play.....aids the run game. I mean, don't pay the QB and have the threat....the safeties aren't going to be fixated on taking away the deep pass and can play the run and cheat on pass attempts. I think what you are seeing is the most elite QBs are flat out being game planned for to take away the big play. But if you aren't an elite QB and vertical threat QB.....defenses flat out aren't going to make that league wide shift on your offense. Take a Bryce. I would imagine most of his INTs are made by opposing safties over the course of his career (who aren't taking away the vertical but cheating to make plays on the intermediate balls)

so are you saying Bryce Young is indeed below average in every individual aspect a QB is in measured......but his 4th down completion % somehow trumps all of that? lmao. Yeah, that's below average QB play. GWD is a team accomplishment. Which is why Young is attached to some he didn't complete a pass in.

No, he is 25th amongst qualifying QBs. Go check ESPN. and it's not just ONE stat for Bryce. It's all the big production measures. Every. Single. Season. If Bryce Young isn't below average. Below average doesn't exist. You are eliminating it lol. this is why people are forced into being haters. It's denial of reality.

He is 29th in yards per game among qualifying QBs. He is 28th in completion % among qualifying QBs has has the 25th QB rating among qualifying QBs Bryce Young is 100% a below average starting QB. This is not debate. Your feelings don’t trump the reality of his production. he is top 10 in turnovers though. Which Voids him being average-ish in TDs.

I can enjoy a 7 win (to date) season that no one saw coming because of our below average QB play. I don’t enjoy folks that make every win about the below average QB we need to move on from. None of this is hard to understand unless you want to to be hard. Goal is to build a team that can contend. We know where we are on the right page/path and wrong ones. Well, some of us

WTF are you babbling about?

I did my best to keep it realistic my drafting a Gamecock