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that's why I reference the entire specific tree Canales came up in and what made the offenses work at each point in time. You have 3 offenses. Wilson, Geno and Baker. They all have shared the same traits that made them work. All the offenses have been relatively uncreative (which Canales essentially conceded he wasn't bringing rocket science to Carolina) and have been dependent on having an aggressive QB downfield to essentially provide the balance to a predictable and boring offensive scheme. Deep dive was done into the passing game of all those dudes/offenses before the Bryce/Canales era ever kicked off. Canales specific tree has always been dependent on the downfield ball at every stop. It hasn't worked at any point without QB that naturally is aggressive downfield and helps bail the O out.

Yeah, I know you want to do your thing here. Please point out where in Canales’ journey before arriving here…..his offensive tree worked without the style QB pointed out? I’ll wait. You wanting to nitpick broad offenses doesn’t change what I said. We are specifically talking about the Canales tree/variant and Canales’ boring and unimaginative offense (his words too)…..needs a QB (just like everywhere else he has been) to put it over the the top and bail it outs

I don’t think Cam isn’t retiring because he is waiting for an opportunity to comeback. That wouldn’t stop you. Think he has verbally conceded he is done. I think Cam isn’t retiring so he can always use that in HOF talk. Never make himself even eligible. Never give people a means to say no.

Every offense Canales has grown up in or ran before being employed here has required a QB with an aggressive downfield nature to them to function properly. There are no exceptions to that....people try to build one here. That is not Bryce's style. and his bland and boring O here requires the same thing here and doesn't have it at the QB spot

What exactly are you claiming is Bryce's style then? and what are you claiming is the offensive style of the Canales tree? They are not a match. I mean, his physical limitations influence what Bryce's style is

I would wager you could give every single NFL ref the slow mo view of that catch and ask them what they would do in a game with it......and it would still be a very split call. for me, the ball rotated enough while hitting the the ground even with his hand firmly on it, that a good amount are going to say the ground was used to help complete the catch. NFL needs better rules. I don't think they want that. Because better rules either lead to less catches or dumb catches. Instead, we get inconsistent calls.

We didn’t lose because of the refs last week. and if the NFL thought they had crew that would auto give a home team a win and were going to hand pick to use it for a team…..they probably wouldn’t pick to waste it on a game between 2 meh small market teams that aren’t going to be relevant in the big picture.

We went from the most dominate short yardage player in NFL history to a guy that can't run a sneak. Wild 180.

NFL more than anything, just needs better and clearer rule on what is and isn't a catch. They almost have created a scenario where the refs can't do a good job.

Said when he was drafted, there was a Cam Newton aspect to him.....you almost had to go all in on a one of one offense made just for him. We made it clear we were never going to do that and therefore the entire thing was pointless. Putting him in Frank's offense and than Canales O is just mind boggling. I was pro Bryce for a minute. But once it was clear we were just inserting him into traditional offenses and playcallers? Well, it was time to move on yesterday.

sports IMO at all levels is a much more simplistic thing to figure out than so many pretend it is. It's sort like Greg Olsen was saying.....coaching at every level of the sport is basically the same lol. From his kid to the NFL. Now does the NFL have some complex schemes and play designs? Sure. But Bryce Young wasn't a fit for Frank or Canales....and close to have the board has basically wished both true from the start when it was always glaring mismatches.

To me, the Tepper era is defined by random parts and then acting confused when things that don't fit, don't fit.

but the real question to pose Canales, given what the % of QBs sneaks converted is......how can you justify not having that play given the success rate of it in the NFL vs other run plays on short yardage.

yep, and that's what 99.9 fan hit so well. The Bryce curve and bar that is unique to him. People are saying he is trending up.....despite playing below average/poorly (by the standards applied to other QBs) in 4 of the last 6 games and majority of the season.

I mean, that was a "good" Bryce day. And as the folks on 99.9 fan said well..... ultimately, given what his good days overall are....that's the big picture issue. Because a good day for Bryce isn't how you identify a good day for the rest of the league's starting QBs. A good day isn't 175 yards, maybe a TD, maybe a turnover. So it's big picture problems vs literally what cost us that particular game. People talk both and should be able to. That's why Bryce is brought up. He represents the big picture issue even if it didn't literally cost us the game.

When XL was drafted it was acknowledged by many he wouldn’t be very good paired with Bryce….which he isn’t. Bryce had something to do with that. Bryce needs players that help him, XL needs a QB that helps him. He is raw and what he should be doing we don’t really do. you ask him to participate in our bad screen game and run crisp routes to catch spotty balls? That’s not XL. XL just flat out needs to time out physical and run dudes downfield…..and then needs good balls on to of that.

I like how AT is now being treated like XL in order to defend Bryce Young lol.

Saying the right things in front of the camera at a holiday event for kids....doesn't mean poo lol We have 2 pro sports teams and his business dealings to actually judge Tepper off of. Nothing says he is going to let a losing coaching (with no history of doing anything) start from scratch at year 4. And again, that extends way beyond Tepper to other teams at that point. Coaches don't get that sort of time in today's world. you just want to argue things at this stage because none of that is rooted in what we know if Tepper.

history says there is zero chance David Tepper lets a losing HC have a shot to do it "his way" starting year 4. Heck, not even Tepper. You can go league wide with that. Coaches aren't afforded that sort of time line in today's NFL.

I think Horn really just had one really bad play Sunday. But that's sort of what you pay him for.....that one man on man play at the goal vs Olave. That's supposed to be Horn's strength. Being able to play man over zone. I still think Horn lacks the one season that actually proves he is what we think he is.

the biggest problem Carolina has....is the bleed over they allow from one mess to the other. All the hiring and firing Tepper did, he never gave the org a cleaned house and a group with a legit fresh start. Always the last era seeping over.

clearly, Bryce's family is here. And Zod has purchased one of those Russian bot farms to spam the board with horrific QB play takes defending Bryce Young

Mimicking Mr. Scot is horrible strategy is not a good look. But have at it. I mean, there was no sound argument you can make against that post so i sort get that....but... It must be a weird place to be so invested in defending a meh QB 24/7 as not meh when the bar is much higher.....that you got to gaslight and create alternate realities.

Well, they aren’t laughing at Mahomes for not running the sneak…..because they know why KC now doesn’t. Which would not be why Carolina doesn’t. Every player in the field would know the difference in two situations.

We don’t have a bottom 10 OL We don’t have a bottom 10 backfield which is why we heave a top 10 ranked rush attack despite subpar QB play and everyone knowing we are going to run it. and we don’t have a bottom 10 offensive roster given the first two facts are true