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If you are using PFR then you should be able to easily the the dividing league average line.....where Bryce is above and Trevor is below it. It's a big blank space that says league average when you are sorting by bad throw %. You don't really want to go backwards. Bryce was #1 in bad throw % in 2023 Bryce was #1 in bad throw % in 2024 (technically 2 but #1 was Anthony Richardson and he didn't finish out the season) in 2023, 2024, 2025.....Bryce is above league average all 3 seasons in bad throw % and Trevor is below all 3 seasons. Bryce stans need to find something else than thinking Trevor Lawrence somehow makes Bryce Young not bad. It's not working. And no one, even Clemson fans, really want to be in here defending the forever disappointing Trevor Lawrence.

This board must have way more Clemson fans than I give it credit for, the amount of folks that watch all the Trevor Lawrence games is way higher than I would have guessed. #All In! Go Tigers! Jaguars are also 6-1 this season with Trevor's best weapon the field. Which all of us Trevor watchers know isn't BTJ given we watch all his games.

yeah, but this is just some weird technical argument being randomly pulled for Bryce Young. No one in real time was wanting to make sure Philly Brown and Mike Remmers were probably credited. They were called weak links that we overcame and still succeeded with on that magical run. this bad technical defense had you saying Rex Grossman deserved the credit for taking the Bears to the Super Bowl when we all know the world was amazed they pulled off such a feat with a bad QB. Bryce Young does play a key position on the team, and it is amazing the Panthers have been able to win what they have despite such weak QB play. it hard to win WITH Bryce Young playing a key role on this team. Panthers deserve credit for pulling that off. It's not something people should want to do going forward because lady luck can only do so much and come and goes.

Andy Reid couldn't wait to get rid of Alex Smith (win every season KC Smith) and his checkdown, not making the throws downfield self. the goal isn't to technically log a winning season. It's to craft a team that can be the best in the NFL (without catching a fluke season to make it happen). KC was never going to be the best team in the NFL with Alex Smith (even if they won a Super Bowl off luck)

I know people like to deem me the ultimate Clemson homer, but I rarely have ever been a fan of most first round type Clemson players. Clemson has had a lot of DL players in the past decade or so go pro and go in the first round. I have to say, this current group at Clemson is the least impressive bunch to come out of Clemson. Woods never lived up to his hype at Clemson.

Off-target/bad balls generally don't meet the criteria for a drop. I mean two things can be true. The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year.....and Lawrence can be headache. Trevor is below league average in bad throw % though. Bryce as always, above it despite playing less aggressive. I mean, Bryce being at the top in bad throw % is the really wild part because he isn't playing aggressive dumb ball look so many QBs are willing to. I feel Bryce Young people are fixated on Trevor being a thing to use....but it just is too forced. I mean, they have being a bad picks in common but that's it.

Jags lead the NFL with 36 drops (many have been huge ones). That supporting cast has been really bad (and hurt) on the year. Trevor is just Trevor. A lab built QB that plays aggressive/dumb. He will have 5 seasons under his belt by years in with 3 different HCs.....and just 2 losing seasons. Trevor is a disappointment in terms of being a #1 overall pick. But he is middle of the road NFL starting QB.

I mean, I could explain it again. I didn't post a select group in reality, I compared all 12 starts from this season, to all 12 starts from last season. That is the legit head to head comparison. and when you do that, there is no improvement in his individual production. It's worse in yards, scores, and turnovers. So he did not improve if the argument is stats/individual production. when you look a the collective number on the year and then look at per game stats shown.....the fact he stepped on a field when benched for 3 plays at the end of a game and had -4 yards yards skews the per game stats. So you isolate the starts.

All the Bryce stans have always said we should forget 2023 existed as it's unfair to look at it. Now you want it just for the sake of showing the jump from practice squad worthy to backup worthy? ok. noted. the reason you compare the starts (12 vs 12) and omit the 2 token garbage time appearances in 2024, those skew the per game averages. For example, from a per game scenario, it would be logging him as playing a NFL game with -4 pass yards in a game and treating that as a game. which is why you look at starts (12 vs 12 games) 2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers 2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers which clearly isn't "pretty much improved" in basically any of the primary categories of production. It's worse in all the big ones. Yards, scores, and turnovers. if you want to make a Bryce is better in 2025 argument than last year. Cool. It's not in his individual production stats that matter though.

Bryce as a starter (12 games vs 12 games). Sets up perfectly given the week we fall on. 2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers 2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers

Oh, so not individual performance/production. So you can have less production, more turnovers.....but if the team wins, you are better. so Xavier Legette is better this year? or is this a Bryce exclusive that winning trumps individual performance/production? and I'm more of an eyeball guy. And Bryce is pretty much the same dude as last year off that. The defense and rush attack has looked different. And when you get clear improvement from units and other things stay the same. More wins is normally the outcome.

Dan Morgan and his team are part of the brain trust that brought us Bryce Young. Same dream team that could only find Jack Plummer as a young body to be in house this summer.

as a starter (12 games vs 12 games). Sets up perfectly given the week we fall on. 2024 - 195 pass yards per game, 20 rush yards per game, 21 TDs, 11 turnovers 2025 - 194 pass yards per game, 10 rush yards per game, 19 TDs, 13 turnovers that sure looks like less offense and more turnovers this year vs last year as the starting QB. I mean, you don't have to call it worse. Not sure how you get better out of it.

did you read the part of the post where it talked about the Panthers being clearly better in some areas? I'm talking about so clearly better there is virtually no disagreement on this board that thrives off of disagreement. Yeah, that's how you win more games than last year.

what game do people feel is Bryce's actual worst on the season. Not fantasy stat wise. Just actual QB performance?

this has always been my go to. Take someone's very best game out and very worst. Both ends of the spectrum distort the most. Judge them after that, because that is who they are. And if you do that with Bryce? Well, that's not a starting caliber QB. Not any of the 3 seasons.

Josh Allen had legitimate improvement. Bryce Young is more the same than he is improved. The legitimate improvement that people can't deny is the OL play each season, the rush attack and the D vs last year. The throws and coverage Bryce struggles with are pretty much the same. I think he is seeing a comp % bump that is product of Canales largely acknowledging Bryce can't do a lot (the whole argument made by many that he calls games how he has to because of Bryce). Bad throw % remains super high, he still fumbles a lot, he basically needs man coverage do to anything, isn't threatening downfield, the book is sort of out on how to stop him and make him irrelevant. I just mean because Atlanta refuses to do it to him and a couple 4th and shorts don't allow the setup....that doesn't change the overall book. And he will never really be able to improve on his physical tool limitations.

yeah, mobile posting has been a bit spotty w/ the ads

What I am not trying to do, is search within games every week to explain why the worst QB in the NFL since he entered it.....isn't just a weak and bad QB. This thread/convo isn't about an award. If it is, that's not a convo I am having. I do not believe BY is improving. Whatever degree is just too insignificant to matter. The Panthers are improving. And where they are improving this year, is really clear. I think about the Atlanta game the exact same thing I said about the Atlanta game last year. If you give anyone unlimited opportunity. Talking bad players. They will have a random outlier here or there. And you won't find my posts saying anything bad about his play in the 2 @ Atlanta games. I have acknowledged those 2 singular games were the 2 actual good games by Bryce many times.....lol, sorry that is real.

well, there is a talk about what they should do....and a talk about what we think they will do. Both different. When is the last time the Panthers were presented with paying a RB vs managing the RB spot for cheap and made the cheap smart play. RBs and D have been the primary driver in all but 1 win this season. I think the setup is for the Panthers to be super dumb. Pay Rico. Extend Bryce. Then next year, you don't get the luck and outlier performances we are seeing this season. Predictable Panthers will be predictable.

well, the Panther way.....would be to invest big money into not one but two running backs. Despite, Rico sort of being living walking proof.....you don't need to because you can find RBs. or just watch any RB go down and see dudes produce behind them without a huge drop off outside of maybe 2 or 3 guys.

I mean, the Rams only punted once. A team that doesn't turn the ball over turning it over vs a D without so many of our starters was wild. Moving the ball was pretty effortless for them. Think even with a good QB, they shred our D at much easier pace than vice versa. Especially w/ no Horn out there. Puca and Adams is just nasty business that we don't match. And they were 7 yards per carry on the ground. Like I said, the win is great. Any given Sunday. But if this front office starts thinking we aren't overachieving and getting some luck going our way this year.....I expect more really bad decision making.

Dan Morgan can't have real talent on the roster in camp. It will create instant issues. That's why you saw only Dalton and Jack Plummer this year. I mean, even a really bad PJ Walker would be pulling off throws for all to see Bryce Young can't make. real talent, means immediate convos when a season starts about the other guy.

heck both the non-pick 6 turnovers were redzone turnovers. I mean, we stole a win and that's great. That's why sports is fun. But if we played again this weekend, it's a double digit spread again and they would likely beat the breaks off us badly. Think you have to keep perspective. Any given Sunday is a thing, but those 2 teams are miles apart. I think seasons and games like we are witnessing....is where you see orgs make really dumb decisions. I would expect the Panthers to be as dumb as dumb orgs can get of their history.

Notre Dame might be a sneaky #1 despite us being the professional version of the Gamecocks .You gonna get under the radar folks like JJ Jansen. I think the mystery is the 4th school. Bama seems obvious for the 3rd. I'll go Auburn