CRA

A long paid vacation you consent to isn't punishment.... Asinine to think? If it was asinine to think Hardy would have already been reinstated and told to keep kraken

Admission of guilt has nothing to do with what we are talking about.... NFL doesn't need that

So your employer can't discipline you for actions unless you are found guilty in a court of law.....which is essentially your arguement. That is disproven everyday, in every profession

Hardy isn't the same. Ray Rice was punished. NFL tried to do it twice. Hardy never had the initial punishment

Again, the NFL can't just put players on the list. It is a mutual thing. Hardy and his agent agreed to be put on the list. They didn't have to be on it

m Second time of what? A rumor? As far as Hardy....prosecutors in court weren't claiming they "thought" the chick agreed to a settlement. The State had reliable info on it. So let's not act like it is some mystery yet to be solved....and she was uncooperative as she toured the country with her settlement money. But it is bed time for me

NFL never could prove Big Ben paid off those girls....and again he never even saw a charge he had to defend

So you know Big Ben paid off girls....despite never being charged with a crime. But with Hardy it is a great unknown? That is pretty selective.... Riley example was simply illustrating there really is no point being fixated on court rulings and legal matters. NFL Code of conduct is what matters on if a player will be punished

McDonald would have had to agree to be on it. So the degree his team was really behind him isn't really known. Leading up to this year, the universal policy was teams really stayed out of stuff until stuff played out.

NFL can't just put you on the list. Hardy was on it bc he agreed to be

What crime was Riley Cooper charged of when Philly disciplined him? What crime was Big Ben charged with when the NFL disciplined him? None of those scenarios are comparbale to each other and none are comparbale to Hardy. What they show is the NFL/teams can and will discipline players and it has nothing to do with the legal system.

But again, the courts determine what does or doesn't happen to Greg in terms of his actual life. NFL doesn't need proof of any that nor does it simply say well we won't punish Greg bc the legal system didn't.

New policy doesn't apply for Hardy. Not that simple. Ray Rice example just laid that foundation

Nope. Never said that.

To determine the severity of the punishment

Again, that doesn't matter. NFL doesn't NEED that. NFL doesn't need proof Hardy paid her off and they dont need a court verdict or even a criminal charge A team or NFL can merely say your poor choices that didn't lead you to be guilty or even charged made us look poorly......so now you face X discipline as a result

and the NFLPA doesn't step up and try to stop the discipline of the NFL unless they go to far (beyond what has been agreed upon). NFLPA knows Hardy isn't being punished TWICE. They may step in if NFL tries to punish Hardy under rules made up after his incident. But Hardy can be punished. I agree a union helps. But it doesn't try to stop punishment that they agreed can be done.

Employees aren't exempt from punishment unless they commit a legal crime and are convicted. Just bc some employers have handled things inappropriate doesn't then mean people can't be punished. Employees are punished all the time also....and there is also nothing they can do to stop it (that will work)

Your employer can discipline you even if you are not convicted of a crime....or even charged. NFL certainly can too.

Ray Rice was punished. AP was punsihed. So the suspensions were overturned Hardy hasn't been punished

Congrats dude. That is awesome. sidenote - Your Delhomme vid always got me

Well, I'm just talking about what is going to happen. What I think is fair and the NFL policy should be may be different....but my opinion on that is the NFL has always been soft on players unless it makes headlines. So they added the vague conduct detrimental junk to appease people when the press gets bad

All your focus is on what it means from a legal perspective.... NFL perspective is a different conversation. NFL will and has punished without someone even being charged

Yep. Only other info NFL has to consider is that the girl was paid off to prevent the jury trial. While not an admission of guilt it does Hardy no favors in regards to the NFL looking at him.....nor does the way he carried himself during the first court appearance. Hardy from the public's perspective is lumped into this 2014 clump of poor behavior of players....and you can argue he was, even if innocent, by the company he elected to keep.... It isn't about what people think is fair. Hardy is getting punished bc NFL has wording to in it's policy to discupline and make examples of players in scenarios like this.

Okay....then he was charged and arrested for a violent crime and pays off a girl before the court date. Again, through the NFL eyes THAT is gonna get you some form punishment in today's NFL. doesnt seem like you even grasp my arguement