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Owners get involved because they own the teams. It's their billions invested. That's just how it works. and GMs and HCs and Owners......all make shitty decisions sometimes. So does Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Biden, Trump, me, you. That's a people thing. I don't expect Tepper to be Jerry Jones. But for you to dig your heels in on Tepper not being a standard NFL owner that is involved and will make some final decisions with his team going forward....just seems like a weird mountain to die on.

no, I'm just certain Tepper is a NFL owner and will act like a NFL owner going forward. Does Kraft get involved at times because he thinks Belichick is bad and incompetent? or does he get involved simply because it is his team and he occasionally sees the big picture different...and wins in those moments.

Well, it's generally the bad that draws attention. That's what I want to happen? No, I'm merely stating Tepper spent billions and billions on a team....and in the end will do what owners consistently do. Which isn't just let his staff do whatever they want down the road. Kraft is a bad owner? If he is a bad owner...who is a good owner?

He is simply an example of owners being owners. That’s the discussion, Take the most successful franchise like the Patriots? Kraft forced Bill to send Jimmy G packing. GM/Bill didn’t want to do that….but owners are going to be owners. That’s the point. Tepper will be one.

I referenced someone doing exactly what I said NFL owners do… The above is you trying to reframe Jerry Richardson being brought up. Discussing whose involvement and what was good or bad is a completely different topic. And Jerry’s contract meddling was some of his worst stuff. He had a lot more to say than the above. But NFL owners are going to have a lot to say about their billions they have invested.

I mean Jerry Jones and Dan Synder aren’t the only owners involved in the product that gets put on the field. They are just the poster children of doing it boldly and it going wrong. look no further than our own franchise. Jerry Richardson.

The conversation has nothing to do with me wanting Tepper to do X. That’s you projecting that. As noted previously, I’m glad Tepper didn’t make what I wanted to happen come true and overrule the new GM in this draft. He isn’t a college talent scout. NFL owners are rarely as hands off as you insist Tepper surely will be going forward. And that is based off a factual history of what owners consistently do. and a lot of decisions down the road don’t have anything to do with scouting college talent and I expect Tepper to be involved….especially once we know the strengths and weakness of this current bunch. Every GM we have had has displayed weakness. NFL teams largely operate as mom and pop businesses in reality.

Hurney and Nippleshorts were both praised as great at one time too though in Carolina….

I’ll take NFL history over you running aggressively with standard front office talk….by a brand new bunch in the honeymoon phase. and you don’t need to be talent evaluator when it comes to certain things. Take an Aaron Rodgers scenario. A Brady scenario. Making a move there isn’t on par with does the org think Tommy Tremble can be a good TE in the NFL

yes, Tepper didn't trump his brand new GM that he literally just hired on his major first decision. you are claiming that means Tepper will never be involved with football decisions going forward? I don't buy that. It's the NFL. And we don't know these dudes at all. If Tepper really thinks something is right or wrong...I fully expect him to get what he wants. Having a preference about a pick isn't exactly the same thing as believing a GM is about to fug up something. And that has nothing to do with me wanting Fields. What are you even talking about lol.

It's the NFL. It's front offices saying what they say. And it's the honeymoon phase on top of that.

I wouldn't put my money on a statement like that. He didn't trump his brand new GM on a pick. That doesn't exactly mean Tepper isn't going to be involved or ever overrule the folks here. *not talking Watson here. Just Tepper going forward.

I mean, Joe Burrow did go to the Cincinnati Bengals.

it is what it is. that’s for sure. But as noted, the needs for the team extended beyond QB. DB is still a pretty low impact position given what we are and have been at some pretty impactful positions. Just look at the Gameocks. Horn was one of the best DBs in college football. Let’s just call him the best. Big picture? He had very little impact on outcomes of games. They had needs at more impactful positions. So when Clemson for example rolls up? Who has trash DBs. But is strong at QB, DL, OL….Ross has a 100+ yard day. Higgins has 100+ too. Trevor has a field day and the trio sits down and watches their backups in the 4th quarter. I haven’t agreed with the braintrusts for the Panthers for a long time now.

We have had 3 consecutive losing seasons because we have haven’t had a healthy or good QB. In a QB centric league. The far and away most important position in the NFL. Pretty big need there. QB is a need. Left side of the OL is a need. And we were bottom of the league in sacks. That’s still a need. The most impactful positions in today’s NFL. and we picked up a guy going to into his 4th season never having a winning season….and used a top 10 pick on a DB. Majority here would have been against such if that was posed to you after last season ended.

The article is right in it’s core message. They just went about it horrible. RB, ILB, DB, right side OL….isn’t where the value is and where the guys have the biggest impact. A bad team can hit on one….and it won’t change much. Other positions just have the ability to impact a team bigger.

Well, this was viewed as a pretty strong QB class. All years aren’t created equal. like a 2012, the year we drafted Luke. If we had rolled with Clausen one more season…..the only first round QB taken was Weeden. Only second round QB was Brock. It was super weak at the top. Imagine feeling forced to address QB in a year like that.

Well, the draft is the lottery. Might as well go big where you need it the most. We did that with Cam. That has always been my preference. Cam was more controversial than some remember

I just play the odds. How many have turned into one...after disappointing for 3 years as a starter with the team that drafted him to be one. seems like the smartest money is on considering him a bandaid to get by until we can find someone else. If he surprises, he surprises. That was Teddy. That is Darnold. That’s been a million guys at many positions. Sometimes they surprise. Mostly they don’t. and we have an entertaining year and win some games.

Well, there was no with Teddy option after a certain point...and there were odds none of the top tier prospects would be there. That’s why I wanted Sam in that moment. He was the right move then. They got that right IMO considering where we found ourselves. Best move

Well, they created a scenario where Teddy couldn’t remain here and there were decent odds a QB might not fall to 8....and they only have PJ and Will. What type scenario is that? You don’t want an elite and franchise QB? I mean that can my problem. Seems like that should be common ground for all of us. I don’t know a lot of teams that have pulled off being consistent winners without one. We had one and still struggled with the consistent part.

The next Cam was simply referring to finding another franchise and elite QB. It wasn’t about finding someone that plays the game like Cam. But I see why that could be unclear. Until we do, I just don’t think much matters in the NFL.

Because in one year you have the Cam fiasco, you have the Teddy mistake, you force yourself into having to trade and get Sam, Teddy is such a cluster your have to pay him to be the Denver QB....and after all that a QB falls into your lap? Fields seems like another log that draws more attention to a mess the org has made in a short window. Plus, the fans/media would have demanded Fields IMO. You kind of make Sam an instant mistake by an org that really doesn’t need to take one in the moment. Given the lotto hit success of QBs? I’d probably roll with Sam and pass on Fields too with all that if in Rhule’s shoes. ... I think Sam was the better short term answer for Rhule and company. 2021 season in general. As a long time Panther fan...I’m more interested in finding the next Cam though.

Well, I’ll take that as the Panthers under Rhule have looked poorly in terms of how they have managed the QB situations while he has been here. fair or unfair, it being the right or wrong perception....Rhule and company know it.

Ok, but how do you think Carolina has been viewed in terms of handling the QB scenarios while Rhule has been here? The general consensus. I mean that still exists...