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I still find it interesting that they only Tabor's contract details have been released and not McAdoo. Tabor being a legit ST coach that orgs/coaches have opted to keep through HC changes.

some guys just interview for the experience of interviewing too

and it’s not that he is incompetent. It’s he is a hands on and one wants to control everything incompetent type. So it doesn’t appear to be in his coaching DNA not to be able to not put his thumbprint on everything. he probably could work if he was just an actual figurehead that hired good people and just let them do their thing.

True. But it’s also a true an incompetent person can have good people around him. And the fact an incompetent man leads the group defines what ultimately happens in the end. I still think Rhule is the problem. And I have been hard on Fox and Ron at times. Didn’t think they were great coaches. Incompetent was never a place I went with them. Even in the dark times they had. and maybe Rhule will turn into something one day. It’s clear he has a long way to go and so don’t expect there to be enough years for him to learn on the job in NFL HC attempt #1.

Maybe the reporting of him staying hinging on a rockstar hire was distorted truth maybe Tepper said if you want to stay then find and hire a NFL staff or something. I doubt Glazier was 100% wrong on him being told something about hires

It’s almost like a clear cut change has been made. Whether that is Rhule or an owner demand….Carolina looks to be going from college guys to a pro guys. I’d like to see some more shakeup too. Given how Matt Rhule has explained how they do things….I’d still like some of these guys under the coordinators gone. For example, the OC doesn’t work up the full game plan. The staff under him, Rhule’s buddies are tasked with different eras to gameplan each week. Think some of that needs to shake up too.

Dude survived 4 different HC changes in Cleveland lol. That is something. I will say this. He has had some great return men under his watch. Think he had a Pro Bowl returner every year in Chicago and then there was the whole Cribbs era in Clev. Now maybe some of that is just lucking into talent. But he defiantly knows what a return guy should do.

It’s a decent hire. Better than McAdoo. if Rhule gets fired in season….we have options. Fields and the Bears looked pretty dang good vs SF in the game he was the acting HC lol

There is nothing to tear down. We are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Rhule just immediately turned the car off road and has us stuck in the mud. A new coach simply puts the car back on the journey Matt Rhule was supposed to lead. you are projecting arguments I am not making. I’m saying hot seat HCs and lame duck HCs don’t get the same freedoms and ability as coaches who are where Matt Rhule once was. At least in well run franchises. And we are now entering that window with Rhule. so Rhule in theory this year should have his hands tied and restricted from bigger impacting plays that have high odds of impacting the next HC and putting him in a hole. None of that is a new concept or some weird made up scenario for Rhule. Doesn’t mean we won’t add players. Sign guys and do some extensions. It all has to be under the mindset Rhule could easily be unemployed in season next year though. No one is saying Rhule will be sabatoged. Or the team is being tanked. But Matt Rhule won’t have the same luxuries and freedoms he had early. Lame duck and hot seat coaches don’t get to do whatever they want (in well run franchises). Matt Rhule is in fact a hot seat HC. Even the Panther employed writers acknowledge that. The fact we only can land a bum OC the league cast off to a nothing jobs confirms where Rhule is at in the eyes of everyone. As does guys turning down interviews for a “promotion” here. Well run orgs simply start putting constraints on coaches like Rhule now finds himself being.

I mean if you wanted to craft a worse case huddle nightmare scenario…. Imagine if they did hire Joe Brady. And he Fields worked out great. Then the Bears meet the Bills in the Super Bowl. meanwhile in Carolina. Matt Rhule is finishing packing his 4th consecutive 5 win season in Carolina

You want me name all the head coaches in NFL history who have been on the hotseat or were entering lame duck seasons? Who then had their hands tied in terms their ability to make hires? Sign players? Draft guys? no thanks. We can go Carolina centric. We can talk about the last time it happened here. The year was 2010. The coach was John Fox.

yeah, it’s pending you actually have a good front office. Our own is David Tepper. And as today, you can’t call him a good owner. so it is worrisome how Tepper will allow Rhule to operate while on a hot seat.

I mean I greatly dislike Matt Rhule. But this concept has nothing to do with that. My opinions aside, even a Panther writer under the organizational thumb like Gantt acknowledges Matt Rhule is being viewed as a hot seat coach. He did so this week. I mean NFL history shows it is real. It has shown the concept I explained happens all the time. Will it happen here? Well, who knows....because well, David Tepper doesn't look like much of an owner. When you have a coach on the hot seat or is a lameduck...he doesn't get the same operational room and power(or at least shouldn't) as a coach that isn't. That isn't a fan fantasy.

Clemson has a good scheme and defensive front. So I give him credit in this game for dealing with that. But I am also on record of not being a Pickett guy. Seen a lot of him over the years and this one season IMO isn't enough to gamble a first round pick on him. Seems more like a 3rd round type gamble. Not talented enough to be the first round lotto gamble.

as a Clemson fan, the only additional comment I would add if people are going to look at that game. IMO, opponents were afforded the opportunity of some conservative play given Clemson literally had no offense this year. The strategy against Clemson was basically play it safe and let the Clemson offense mess up and give you opportunity. I think you saw some of that in this game. As Pickett doesn't really make a lot of impressive throws inside the pocket.

I mean, there is when you hire someone unqualified in Matt Rhule to lead a rebuild. and no, you haven't seen it to date because Matt Rhule had rightfully been given the power and green light. But now that it is clear he looks like a dud and has high odds of being a lame duck.....yeah, it changes how you go about things if you are a front office. Or if you are remotely competent. To an extent you can no longer responsibly be all in on Matt Rhule's vision. Everyone's job isn't on the line. Matt Rhule and company are the ones with the job on the line. And when you are on the hot seat.....you start rightfully getting your hands tied to a degree. Because a front office has to mitigate how bad Rhule could continue to make things in this window....once most seem to realize he is a mistake. You have to start thinking about the scenario the next guy will be taking over to continue the rebuild.

I think this is the best game to evaluate Pickett. It's his best season vs the best defense he played that year. Now, this wasn't the week 1 Clemson D that GA saw as they had lost guys by this time but still a good test given the talent and coordinator.

I mean, every team doesn't fall into the tank for the #1 draft pick or believes they are in a legit SB window. I would say the Panthers are in a slow rebuild. Fully aware, that it is likely the rebuild continues on under a new HC. So I think the Panthers will overall focus on slowly building up and improving foundational aspects of the team continuing to slowly improve. But you aren't going to waste resources for Matt Rhule to attempt to win as many games as he can this year. That is counter productive to building something big picture IMO.

Was referring to the end of John Fox. and I think the 2022 draft should be handled like the 2010 draft. Only hopefully this time our GM doesn't bomb it. This draft shouldn't be a Matt Rhule draft. Not doing everything to win the most games possible in a given year isn't claiming they are tanking or having a fire sale. All 32 teams aren't in win now windows nor are all 32 confident in their HC they will have next year being the answer going forward.

NFL teams handicap coaches all the time when they know the coach's time is most likely nearing an end. and we have seen that here too. NFL teams don't try to win as many games as possible every year.

Ding Ding Ding. You kick the can when you finally become a team that can do something and you want to maximize your win now opportunity.

Winston is kind of like Sam Darnold. Only that he is capable of having some really good random days. But Winston is going to be Winston and a be nightmare too often.

but are talking negotiating skills and deal making. Hard to call someone a badass when their tiny resume here consists of that stinker. We have DJ Moore and just drafted 2 young WRs. Robbie's only had one actual good season in his entire career. And Robbie comes out taking up more cap space the legit #1 WRs in the NFL? Dumb dealing like that will impact the big picture. I can get saying the jury is out on him. But it's hard to call him much more than that at this point IMO.

Robbie Anderson must have the greatest agent in NFL history then....if that is what the badass was able to get it worked down to.