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I'm definitely not saying he was coming as the perfect prospect, or without baggage or without stuff to prove. all can be true and you still be better than Sam Darnold. I still maintain if you erased draft position, history and money.....Sam is closer to the PJ Walker tier than the Baker tier. If cost and history wasn't a factor, PJ vs Sam is the actual competition.

I mean, it's not my narrative Baker Mayfield is better QB than Sam Darnold. That is the overall national narrative. And it was the overall collective local narrative too. I mean, you can always find guys in the click media looking to take the counter opinion. Or guys tied to an org throwing support toward guys. and I thought Sam would win the "competition". But me saying that had nothing to do with Sam Darnold being better than Baker. It was rooted in other things. Rhule nonsense. I 100% believed he had a real chance to win it. But him being better had zero to do with him getting the nod and me saying that.

but looking at that was depressing, our 3rd round picks post Trai Truner in 2014. Maybe Tremble can break that streak. It's been pretty much 1 or 2 seasons and disappear.

True, he got cut but then made PS and eventually the actual roster that season. LOL I cheated and just looked if they were on the roster that year. Guess that's why I missed that one. He showed up on the roster and I missed him. So that is 2 3rd rounders that got cut. He must of looked really bad. He made it through waivers. Cardinals picked up the guy in 1996.

it's missing the mark and it's missing the actual complaint. Sam Darnold can't beat Baker in an actual competition. He is simply a better QB. The outcome of who is better is known before the competition were to occur. Therefore, people don't want a competition. And it's why outside of Carolina, it has also been deemed bogus. People wanted Rhule to bring in someone else to compete with Sam in 2021. Because the outcome of a competition between Sam Darnold and a Gardner Menshew type isn't actually known. Who is better. Baker is a legit starting QB. Sam isn't a legit starting QB. Sam is the worst QB in the NFL over the last 4 years. We complained that Sam was just given the job given he is what he is. They aren't the same things.

Well, I went down the wormhole. It has occurred only once in Panther history for our 3rd round pick. We have cut some 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders. 1996 - DT - J.C. Price out of Virginia Tech Carolina Panthers Draft History | Carolina Panthers - Panthers.com

a Joe Brady type would have needed to go to a team like KC (under Reid) or Tampa (under Arians). Stud QB where the HC frankly can do the heavy lifting of the OC job while the coordinator develops. Instead, we had Matt Rhule over Joe Brady and gave him Sam Darnold. That's not how you develop an OC. Matt Rhule didn't even know college offense. It's like saying John Fox could develop an OC and put him in charge of it.

Gruden was an offensive coordinator in the NFL though. That's the type HC that could actually bring in a Joe Brady type gamble. That makes the Gruden/McVay example vastly different IMO. Rhule didn't know NFL offense. NFL practices. Rhule isn't an offensive guy in reality. And hasn't been an OC on any level.

I think Baker, Sam, and Corral make the official roster. I think they cut PJ and bring him back to the practice squad.

Rhule said a week ago the starters wouldn't play. Rhule said joint practice were largely for the starters. But Bill is playing his. I think it goes back to Rhule copying people last preseason. Reality was those 2 teams last year were simply only going to expose their studs QBs (Lamar and Allen) to 1 preseason game and he mimicked what they did.

It is sunk cost fallacy. and they aren’t going to go from co/starter to cut. The entire Rhule era is a story of QB mismanagement.

Sam isn't going anywhere. He is the biggest cap hit on our roster. And you really can't cut him and keep PJ and Corral. Because it just highlights what a complete mess our front office is on talent evaluation and contracts. Keep Sam and you can at least argue that well, Baker was a steal and slightly better. Cut Sam and you just are forced to admit you probably shouldn't be in charge of a NFL team IMO.

I'm not as anti-PJ as some here. That said, he makes zero sense to be on our roster though given what and where we are. We certainly shouldn't be dedicating so much work for him just to be auditioning for other teams.

he is eligible under the new rules.

But the take on Matt Rhule was never....Matt Rhule is hands off but just was forced into micromanaging Joe Brady. The take on Matt Rhule is simply that he is a micromanager that has to put his fingerprint on everything football related. Those coaches exist. McAdoo worked under one in NY. They are what they are.

Matt Rhule is still employed here. Joe Brady isn’t. And you seriously suggesting that I only bring up Matt Rhule exclusively when Joe Brady’s name comes up? That I never bring him up Matt Rhule and knock him anywhere else? LMAO. That’s funny. Comedy gold. Well done. You had me going. I thought you were serious. Now you I know this a true troll account.

I mean a positive is Baker is better than Sam or Teddy. a positive is McAdoo at least understands how to go about NFL offense. Not just playcalling but just preparing. Which Brady and Rhule had no clue about. I don’t think McAdoo is very good add but there are positives to him vs where we were. I’ve said I do think overall this will be the best O we have had once Baker is made the guy. But I think the D steps back. Not bad but more of an in-between 20 and 21 type D. So where does that put us? I still don’t think we are well coached at the top. Which I think keeps us right below .500. I just don’t see the point of Rhule because it is just steadily wishing he stays out of the way to a great extent. And that’s not a NFL HC.

I mean, you can find tons of old post where I clearly said I had no problem with Brady being fired and more specifically how he should of never been hired. That a Joe Brady experiment only would have been a worthy gamble for a very specifically built org. I just include Rhule in the conversation. And you can’t handle that. LG is smart enough to know my post calling him a Rhule lover wasn’t serious. It was a joke/nonsense post because clearly saying both sucked and were part of the problem is a fair thing to say.

I’m just not able to equate 2022 Baker with 2021 Darnold. You seem to be suggesting Rhule is learning. I just see it as Rhule consistently missing the mark.

I argued Sam should of been brought in as an actual project. An actual rehab project behind the scenes to see if you could fix him. I didn’t have an issue with that. Sam wasn’t the Baker of 2021. But they never brought in someone to challenge Sam that I could lobby for him to compete with last offseason. They created an environment where it was just Sam. Mitch Trubisky wouldn’t of been a competition. He would have just been better than Sam. And I would have had a problem with that charade going past Spartanburg.

Literally no one argues that lol. they simply argue he was part of the reason our offense was a disaster. Other part is still here. He is the guy running all these bullshit “position competitions”

Apparently, you can only bash Joe Brady. This post makes you a Joe Brady lover.

I mean, you can keep singing that song. I said he was unqualified and we shouldn’t of hired him. I just won’t stop there and keep the conversation going about who hired him and created the entire mess. You know, the guy actually still employed here. Your projection game isn’t strong enough. Matt Rhule is still sitting here. Can’t avoid him no matter how hard you try.