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Lots of owners are hands on. I’d say the majority are going to be in the mix for a #1 overall pick, especially one where they have up a lot of capital to get it. I think he will have input and it will matter. Which makes sense.

You were the one that felt the need to protest that I called them the same tier QB. Who knows what you intended with your protest. League sees them as the same caliber QB at this point.

lol. Yes. PJ Walker and Sam Darnold are the same tier QB right now. and if you doubt that….go look at the deals both just signed. That’s the tier they are in. The market and the NFL sets the tier. Folks still hanging on to the status of how folks entered the league. Irrelevant at this point. Not long for the NFL? Yeah, again, same tier QB. Sam on his 3rd team. Was worse on his second than first team. Only can get a one year deal to be probably the 3rd string QB. same tier QB. Reality just backed that up. There is nothing that backs Sam being in a different tier. League just drove that fact home. Still on Sam’s junk lol. Come on dawg.

2 years, 5 million. 1 million dollar signing bonus. good for PJ. A Sam Darnold tier QB.

Yep. Obviously this FA pool isn’t ideal. But we got to address the fact our rookie QB needs some legit help. Shi and TMJ are very young and are still developing. Shenault more of a gadget and schemed up guy. That’s not really helping a young QB. I take the Jags are the perfect or similar sample. Yeah, they probably overpaid a less than ideal Kirk and brought in an experienced Marvin Jones Jr. But that was big for a young QB even though they didn’t knock your socks off. That made a huge difference for Trevor. Obviously, TE too.

Rather bring back Foreman. Cut Hubbard. Draft a fast 3rd down RB.

Or he simply is a dual purpose RB with a tight connect to Staley. Foreman and Hubbard are both largely one dimensional.

seems like we would be a fall back option for him. Money close, you got to think he would prefer to be a roleplayer on a championship caliber team than part of the growing pains of developing a rookie.

Wilks played safe boring football against weak teams. The competition we faced has a lot to do with why that was successful. And if we played a good run defense the game was essentially over before it started. NE has a long and established system and culture in New England. That's not Carolina in 2023. It's year one of installing a offense, identity and culture here. And again, we likely are starting a rookie QB at some point with a very pedestrian cast around him on O. In year 1 of a brand new scheme for all. I simply disagree with setting too high of expectations. You are just projecting the suffering part. That's not my claim. We could have a great year 1......and it won't and shouldn't be measured by wins and losses. We could have a great year one and only win 6 games. That could mean the QB looks like it was the right pick and shows some special glimpses. That the O scheme and management of things looks good and simply needs O talent added to aid the rookie as he continues development, etc.

yeah, we are on Panther message board. It is going to slant optimistic. and sometimes it will slant crazily optimistic. Like folks last offseason claiming Matt Rhule + Ben McAdoo was totally going to work out great! but yeah, I'm not the type fan that thinks Frank needs to compete for the playoffs year one. Frank has to build his offense up. That's my opinion. Which is just as good as any other. We could EASILY be breaking in a rookie QB with a weak WR1, weak WR2, okay RB and okay TE all in a brand new scheme. Putting the bar of playoffs on the rookie QB and the team as a whole again, seems silly to me.

Well, I'm just referring to what our SOS ended up being after the conclusion of the 2022 season. It was a weak schedule that we pulled those 7 win off on. Making excuses? Our offense is literally in blueprint stages. From new scheme all around to bodies. I'm not making excuses. I'm setting a realistic bar for what 2023 should be about. List our starting QB, RB, WR1 and WR2 right now and tell me anyone not a hardcore Panther fan would say we should be competing for a playoff spot this year. I guess we technically might be given our division could be horrific. But that would be byproduct of a bad division vs being a playoff caliber team vs the actual field. People setting a weird high bar for Frank on day 1 IMO. Given him time to put together an offense before claiming it is win now time.

better than Ian Thomas. Fine add pending the cost wasn't too high. But I'd like us to keep working at the TE spot.

We also had the 27th weakest schedule in 2022. That 2022 team wouldn't of won 7 with a hard schedule.

he shouldn't be expected to succeed in 2023. I mean look at our QB/RB/WR/TE talent going into 2023. It's an offensive league and we are on the literal ground floor of building an offense.

Fields was always complimentary of Dalton in that role. So that’s a bonus that Dalton can embrace the moment when it comes Dalton is also a former pro bowler and playoff guy. So he has kinda seen the highs and lows you want from a real vet mentor QB. I mean I don’t want to watch Dalton play a single game but he makes a lot of sense if you plan to draft a franchise QB in this draft like us….to have guide the kid into the league.

think Brock worked so well because he has it between the ears. Put a guy like that around crazy talent and good things just happen. He processes things quick and does the right thing. He reportedly had a crazy good cognitive test too coming in. It's not like he was molded into it. That makes him basically the anti-Darnold. That's what has always held Sam back. I think Sam Darnold's role is to be a good vet to come in and be a healthy arm/body to get ready for next season. That's it. That seems to jive w/ the contract. Taylor Heinicke out their fetching much better deals than Sam at this point.

Got to think Matt Rhule's wife's favorite draft pick isn't going to be on the high priority list with this new staff. I mean, Hubbard doesn't really pass the eyeball test IMO. A decent enough pure runner (average)....but just a trainwreck since he has been drafted as a reciever. Which is the post he occupies. The dual-purpose RB. I liked the pick at the time. But the experiment is long over.

Foreman will be 27. I'd welcome him back for cheap. But we likely saw the best he will ever give. We really need to replace Hubbard. We need a pass catching RB.

Contract and location says it all. Small one year deal to go home and be a healthy arm in camps until the top of the depth chart/talent is ready.

Diversity certainly helps. A well rounded cast. See Trevor this year in Jacksonville. we need RB, TE and WR help

Nuk

I don’t like the set up though… If the #1 busts… You could have a Fields/DJ connection work out great and a QB at 9 work out. A double hit of egg on the face. I’m still ok with it. Don’t like DJ going there though. I’d rather of dealt Burns

That’s probably true. Trade CMC and keep Rhule. but ego of how foolish they were looking finally kicked in. So I get it.

We did tank. We traded CMC after firing Rhule. That’s a tanking attempt by a front office. Players still play. Coaches still coach. They still care about their futures….which isn’t tied or viewed specifically to Carolina’s long term future