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and odds are simply the Panthers SOS as a whole will be tougher than last year. Think we finished with the 30th easiest schedule last year. I think the NFCS is going to be better this year. How much? Don't know. Safe bet is it being better.

Jets were running generic stuff too…..and didn’t play a lot of their studs. we got abused in a game basics.

LOL No one is overrating Teddy. He was a game manager. But it’s silly to think a rookie walks on the field week 1 and is the consistent game manager type that a veteran, experienced and good game manager was. Bryce has a ton to learn and it takes times. Expect higher highs and lower lows than Teddy. People are equating what we think Bryce will be for in the future with what the will be this season. That’s not how the rookie QB thing works.

Well, they have to get Bryce ready. So yeah, they aren’t able to develop him in camp like the dude. But he can work all season.

He did. But Teddy was also experienced. Again, 40+ games, playoff experience, pro bowl, played under a GOAT. I would think expecting him to be at Teddy’s steadiness out the gate is a bit much for Bryce. He could have higher highs but a rookie is going to have lows. And part of the reason Teddy was so critical of Rhule was his experiences

Corral hasn’t been through one preseason yet. He is cheap and young. I don’t want to cut him. Just keep developing him. In each of the last 5 years Dalton has taken the field for a team he has had a losing record. This will be his 13th year. He isn’t an answer to our backup spot for Bryce. Just a rental.

Prior to that Bridgewater caliber performance….he played in 44 games, made a pro bowl, made the postseason, played with a GOAT, etc. I don’t think that’s fair to Bryce to think at a minimum he should be Teddy out of the gate.

I mean, it is a rebuild. Nothing wrong with that. Excited about this one. It just sucks we wasted years with Rhule having us in no man’s land. Maybe they can get it off the ground and rolling quick. But I’m going to be patient with it.

Meh. That’s just coaching talk. we are 100% a rebuild. Saying we aren’t is just making up a new definition. NFL rookie QBs are NFL rookie QBs. Lot of history to go off of. Winning is hard. Even for the good ones. And we don’t have the roster that proven to be needed to make up the difference to get them over those learning curves. This is about developing Young into a good QB. And maybe the division is such utter trash a bad team gets in. But that still wouldn’t make us good or playoff caliber.

Your entire premise is based on being able to be “one game away” from postseason play this year if we were just as bad as last season. And then you add upgrades and then add more wins. Which isn’t how you can/should look at it. New season. No clue who are the tough and bad teams. People stamping in Saints and Falcons as trash and fact. Other aspects too. Can’t do that. NFL history says you cant. this year we have a rookie QB. New O. New D, New HC. That has never been a formula for a team to look good. Winning is hard and I imagine it will be for this team. again, see Cam in 2011. Winning is hard. For rookies and new teams.

I’m acknowledging the actual play and opponents…..and not just the win. again, to think we can win games scoring 10 points and a QB throwing for 40 yards this year vs the Saints as realistic?? we played crap teams and when we when stepped on the field vs a good team last year we got brutally stomped. we weren’t good under Wilks. We would play bad conservative football and it would allow us to compete vs bad teams that couldn’t stop the run. But good football is not what we did last year.

First year Cam and Delhomme had better talent around them than Bryce Young will this year. Talent matters. Bryce has the weakest talent around him

I like Wilks. Got no beef with Wilks. I think the players liked him. BUT we weren’t a good football team under him. We just happened to play a lot of teams that were amongst the worst in stopping the run or had horrific QBs. When we played an actual playoff team we got smashed. Early and hard. Wasn’t even competitive for a quarter. And that has nothing to do with Wilks being bad. He didn’t have the talent to actually have a good football team and the 2022 Panthers weren’t a good team under him.

You largely knew it before the game….when traded away all our offensive studs for the draft, hired a new staff, that has a new O, new D and has a rookie QB.

If you had one of the top 10 worst run Ds in the NFL or horrific QB play….the Wilks Panthers might could get you. We weren’t good.

But that season was its own thing. And Steve Wilks didn’t actually have us playing good football. It just wasn’t Matt Rhule, We weren’t a good team. It was a messed up season full of bad opponents where you could come compete in a game despite literally not passing to the extent it looked like he was trying to sabotage the team (first game) to winning with your starting QB finishing with 40 pass yards and putting up 10 points (last game) and we are rebuilding. Traded away all our offensive stars. We have a rookie QB. Brand new offense. Brand new defense. Brand new staff. That’s a rebuild. Regardless what Frank says.

But you can’t base everything on last years record. It will be a new season. Every team and season is different. The 2011 squad was significantly better on O around the QB than what we have this year. Yet you paint us a better positioned. And Cam brought insane offensive volume. winning is hard for rookies. For teams with new coaches and all new schemes. and how are the Saints and Falcons worse?

I think Young can be the dude….but yeah, it will take years to acquire the right cast for him and frankly he needs his own offensive scheme tailored to him. Which I think we can do. But the expectations on Young this year are bonkers. we don’t have the skill talent and scheme remains to be scene for Bryce to thrive. Unsure what Frank is going to do there until the season starts. But Frank got bounced in Indy because of O and not getting it done. He seems more like a fit what I do sort of coach to date

We don’t have the roster yet. Name the best two offensive players on our team. When asked people generally will respond with some answer of well we just got a lot of good guys so that really is our advantage. Yet for every other playoff caliber team it’s a pretty easy feat. we play in a potentially bad division. Sneaking in that way doesn’t make you playoff caliber.

Because the expectation is he becomes a franchise QB and organization changer. Like a Cam. And you don’t make the move thinking you get the MVP caliber QB…..his rookie season. He has to develop.

The 2010 vs 2022 record doesn’t carry much weight. 2010 won 1 game because Jimmy touched the ball every game and Fox was a lameduck. 2011 Cam won 6 games and most came late with a better OL, TEs, RBs and WR corp than Young has….while rewriting the record books. winning is hard for a rookie QB. Especially without a top of the league D and HOF caliber skill guys to help the rookie find wins.

I think the board has high odds of being in peak overreaction mode since so many have this a playoff lock team rookie QB, new O and new D. Too much on Young’s shoulders IMO. It should be about his development not these expectations. Cam got to 6 with a pretty stacked O in comparison and most came late @Atl NO @ Sea Minn @ Det @ Mia Bye I think we will be dogs in virtually every one of those games.

But a good non-Rhule caliber staff doesn’t erase all those factors from existing. it’s not the formula for playoff caliber team. Could the division be so bad someone has to go? Maybe. and to an extent Frank and his staff is getting a bump simply because it’s such a stark contrast to Rhule. Pitched as one of the greatest staffs ever assembled

we have to develop a rookie QB we have a brand new offense to develop we have a brand new defense to develop that’s never the making of a playoff team. and we have a pretty bland cast around Young. It’s not like we have HOFers that are going to go out there and make it happen on their own to aid Bryce.

Corral looked like a guy who got hurt last preseason and wasn’t repping. Got to consider him a rookie again. Game looks too fast. Which makes sense.