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not saying that either. and you brought up Rodgers. Justin Fields has shown that he has elite and special qualities while in a horrible spot in Chicago. That doesn't mean he is going to be great and work out but teams/fans etc are looking for the justification and those moments to attach hope to. Think he set a rushing record the other year behind the worst OL in the NFL with no skill talent around him. That's an elite quality/special aspect shinning through. Richardson has did it in just a view games. Stroud has done it. Trevor even did it during the Urban Meyer shitshow. Those are recent guys. For the Carolina example, Cam Newton did it as a rookie. Weekly. They won what, 6 games his rookie year? They could of won 3 and felt like the pick was good. Special players even in horrific spots SHOULD give you a glimpse from time to time. And that doesn't even mean they will pan out and be great players. But it gives people hope that in time you will see more and more and more of "it" and the move was correct. What "it" has Bryce Young shown? That would have someonesay yeah, that's worth the insane haul and we got that #1 overall pick right. And I'm not writing him off yet. I always said before the season started we were going to be REALLY bad. Flaws of what we put together were always glaring for me. But I said then and now I think you judge Bryce Young down the stretch. Not the opening. But he has to show something.

Dave is set to announce that any beer purchased in the 4th Q at BOA is free.

I said it earlier this week, if they lose….you will see changes. It’s a long week. And lose to the team we will essentially be gifting the #1 overall pick at the games conclusion….will generate moves made to signal change and Tepper’s unhappiness. Because the story and narrative in Carolina with a L is not going to be good. But they could always win. TNF is full of weirdness.

What site is that? Is that just 1st down?

There is an old thread where I found the % of each year for him. I low season for Frank was generally around the 65ish range I think. I think he was top 5ish in Indy and lead the NFL the year he was fired in SD. Bryce was no doubt going to drive it to Frank’s high end. I’d be curious of Bama’s numbers. Don’t watch a lot of them. I mean Clemson won’t even get under C on the 1.

Thomas Brown essentially said his all star WRs are thriving and the kid can get reps in practice. Don’t need him.

I’d swap Jenkins out for Minter or even Buckner/Rucker. But yeah, there has been a void since Cam, Olsen, TD walked. And it’s big IMO.

True. But it also reeks of a clown show. His coach was in the presser selling some bologna again about this WR group. Especially given what occurred out there Sunday. I mean, he is straight up responding to Thomas Brown IMO. And frankly, you probably don't want to be here after that.

that's not what I said though. Maybe it can read that way. I said, special players still show you they are special behind bad OLs. But you aren't going to be a good team and win games with bad OL play. And you aren't going to see consistency. It was meant to allude to play here or play there. Bryce Young (the #1 overall QB) has essentially not provided any glimpses this year showing he is special. That's all. Generally, a legit special player still can find away to show you something in the mess. Aaron Rodgers still was able to show he was special in moments year. Patrick Mahomes has played behind people pulled from the stands. They aren't going to be good versions of themselves and the team won't shine most likely. But you take any great QB and stick him in horrible spot.....and they will give you some moments.

he had 32 return yards Sunday. All the WRs combined had 43 yards. Hell, let him run pointless vertical routes instead of putting Sullivan out wide. At least a defender would have to sort of care about it. that being said, watch him no longer return punts.

Probably has a right to be pissed. Thomas Brown was specifically asked about him today in his presser. Question was in regards to the speed on ST he has been showing and if there was thoughts of potentially getting him some reps. He said because of Mingo's emergence and playing well, it's hard to take him off the grass. Said Marsette was doing a nice job in practice and they would move forward with that. Meanwhile in reality, Mingo had 5 yards on Sunday. All the WRs COMBINED had 43 total receiving yards Sunday. So yeah, maybe a well coached team would be throwing some more looks out there with more players. They were freaking lining Sullivan the TE outside on repeat Sunday. Which just shows they don't even want to pretend to go downfield.

I think Bryce has a QB DNA problem. That's the scary part. May be the byproduct of his "good brain". I think he is of the Teddy Bridgewater, Alex Smith, etc., variety. That's his mold. He might can be a better version of them. I mean, Alex Smith was pretty good when healthy. But frankly the root cause of many of his issues, is Bryce plays too risk adverse.

That’s what Frank Reich does though. With or without Bryce. Every stop. SD. Indy. Now here. there is no adjustment because that's what Frank does. That’s what he operates his O from. No matter the QB. No matter the run game issues. No matter the protection. He overuses it in good AND BAD times and doesn’t adjust.

son of a b.....this was teed up for me to insert the Matt Rhule shrug gif and it seems to of been wiped from the internet. Frank can't even give us a gif. They all mirror the still images of him.

and less offense than debut season of Matt Rhule and Joe Brady pairing.....who didn't even bother practicing the redzone lol. (CMC also only played 3 games so they didn't have the cheat)

I mean, and I think it still even goes back to the Matt Rhule era. Cam Newton spoke on what it was like re-entering Carolina. No one knew how to act. There was no pulse. Say what you want about his game at that point, but I really think Cam came in and was Mr. Everything. He filled the void the coaches and players in the lockerroom hadn't/couldn't. Rhule even acknowledged it. We were dead. No pulse. And that started at the top IMO with leadership in the coaches and players. I mean, you could honestly tell IMO Matt Rhule really appreciated what Cam brought to the table (and it wasn't his football game) I still think we are still there. I don't see Frank, Bryce, Miles, Chark, Thielen being the force you need behind the scenes to of changed what Cam talked about. That's just a guess off their public personas and lack of reporting that says otherwise. But you generally could tell Cam, Olsen, TD, etc were the types to make sure the players were where they should be in terms of mindset, accountability, etc and that came across publicly. Have things really changed since then? Since then we let CMC and DJ go. I'd call them quiet leaders. Never been reported that differently. Leaders but even they weren't doing what Cam noted and Rhule conceded didn't really exist in Carolina. I'd lump Burns and Moton in that same group. All here when Cam walked back in the door and made that evaluation.

Oh I gotcha. I read it different.

you mean the Bears will be.

I think Dalton will attempt things that Bryce won't. Overall, Andy Dalton isn't a very good QB at this stage though. That has been answered for years. And Dalton saw insane pressure in Seattle. Seattle was so close, so often....it's hard to imagine he would be so lucky if the Panthers allowed that again with him behind center. Unless they fire Fitt or do something that would indicate real change would be coming. I say Bryce has to take the lumps. Because reality is, if Frank and Bryce suck for 2 years. We are getting a new HC and QB.

Jim so fired up he is risking breaking a hip

Nothing impressive about Frank, Caldwell, and Capers in the year 2023. Reminder, Frank was fired almost a year ago today I believe. And that's because Frank needs talent to do what he does. He can't work it the other way.

I'd still like to know why Andy Dalton gets more downfield throws in the gameplan than Bryce Young... it's not like Dalton even had a ton of them in the gameplan. Something stinks. I still think it starts with the retread dinosaur named Frank. I think he is playing things that way an old coach would with the rookie. And that's not today's NFL.

it's the NFL. We all want ideal OLs. Special players still look special behind bad OLs though.

He doesn't even need a monster game. He just needs some special moments within a game to check the box and make people feel good. and Cam delivered those near weekly. I mean, even in a game Cam played like trash....he could give you a moment and you would be like.....well, that's why I drafted him. No one can do that. That's hope. You can attach to that. and while Bryce has some good plays. Hell, every QB that plays more than a handful will have some good plays. PJ Walker can have some good plays. I still don't think he has checked the box where you go, yeah, drafting him #1 makes sense yet. But again, he has no one to really pair up w/ to make the play. And the coaches don't seem capable or even trying to scheme up anything. I mean, they do attempt their one or two schemed up plays for Shenault a game when healthy but even those are relatively predictable we have a MASSIVE talent issue around Bryce. Blame whoever. Someone is to blame. And you got to start changing whose involved in that. I'd start with Fitt. He seems to be the biggest red flag. Been at least part of too many horrific decisions. If it ain't Fitt, Tepper knows who it is, then just move on from Frank if you let him hand pick what went down. Because this is a joke around Young. And folks should of seen this all coming. I can't stand Tepper, but even if he hand picked the QB....he has a right to be mad if the other 2 did the rest. and you have to blame Frank for being just a flat out bad coach. Even if he didn't want any of this talent. He is doing a poor job working with what he has.