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I'm still not willing to buy in on a reporters word of having it all figured out. And I don't doubt that Frank was singing the company line at the end of it. I think in the end, everyone was universally backing the pick once the decision was made. Other reporting details the there was a clear in house split on it. And I don't think any voices that weren't big voices would have been reported on in references to a split. Same time the Panthers were debating, a lot of Frank world people were talking about how CJ was the Frank Reich prototype and ideal QB.

I'm listening if a team is offering a 3rd. A 2nd is an instant yes.

I think Reich took the job and nothing but Ls from Tepper and gave up. Think he realized quick he had no actual control and power and phoned it all in. He didn’t get the QB he wanted. Got to wonder about other players and coaches too. And he had weekly Tepper talks he clearly didn’t enjoy that were probably discussions influenced by Tepper moles all over his staff.

What pick would you take straight up for Horn today?

Chase looks like a guy who plays football because he can….and not because he really cares to. League is full of them. Think the 49ers are debating benching him for lack of effort….and he fell into a potential ring and doesn’t even try. but it’s easy to see why a team would fool themselves over dudes who all have the tools to be great. It happens all the time. The it will be different for us mindset.

I'm not arguing Chase Young is anything. I'm arguing in the eyes of the football world......Horn isn't viewed that much differently in terms of value to obtain. I don't see a team willing to give up more than a 3rd ish for Horn. That was Young's value. He is just a similar risk for a different variety.

I'd take a 3rd for Horn. I don't see how you could get more for him at this point. I know the huddle wouldn't be cool with that though. But if you aren't going to pay him, that's decent value give what he has proven to be at this level over 3 years.

I would not take the deal as presented here. I would deal Horn though. But yeah, if a team wants to take a high risk gamble for a decent draft pick? I'd take that all day for Horn. But realistically that pick ain't going to be what the huddle thinks he is worth.

I mean, Chase Young? Chase Young was DROY and a Pro Bowler. He has crazy physical gifts and a hopeful opening to the NFL to fool people with. I don't see how we can put a corner that never plays in a different tier. They just fooling you slightly different.

Oh, I'm probably taking that deal if you are giving a 3rd. Give me a 3rd and Jerry. Because Horn is walking if I am the GM. And we ain't doing diddly as a franchise from now until the time he walks.

probably, Jerry, Chase, Horn at least have NFL tools to fool yourself over. Bryce is a unicorn attempting to defy the positional rules.

we probably couldn't' get a backup long snapper for TMJ

I mean, it's hard to even wrap your head around the tech jumps that will come in the next 20 years. But if they could essentially end up putting that tech in some rather normal looking glasses?

lol, it's funny the perspective outside of Carolina vs here at home though. That proposal actually has us sending a 4th round pick with Horn now that I look more closely at it.

I mean, you probably could make the same argument about Jaycee Horn at this point though. I mean, Jeff Otah had been a running joke for YEARS around here. Otah suited up for 60% of his games through 3 years Horn suited up for 43% of his games through 3 years not saying I would do this trade but I would most definitely think about trading Horn given I wouldn't pay him with his history.

Just saw this imagined trade pop up via my homepage. Jerry Jeudy for Jayce Horn Broncos and Panthers swap former first-rounders in projected trade (msn.com)

only in a world where DJ Moore hitting a window where he was the only WR in the entire NFL to log 3 straight 1100+ seasons is viewed as a #2 WR (with trash QB play). DJ Moore was #1. Is a #1. A #1 isn't defined as a top 5 WR only.

yep, the worst part about it....we actually went out and made a lot of moves in FA for the offense. Which was the most mindboggling part of it all. I mean, maybe Hurst made the most sense in reality from an on paper standpoint and he was used the least. Sanders, Theilen and Chark made no sense for a Bryce O. we over invested in a small ball QB dink and dunk QB.....then went out and signed a bunch players who didn't fit what he would be doing and had a scheme that didn't cater toward it. I mean, we got dudes at BOA making millions that literally fail at basics.

TMJ is a hole on the roster. Cutting him doesn't create one. At least an UDFA or cheap WR gives up a chance at a lotto hit. We already have scratched the TMJ ticket off and it was a dud. we frankly need an entire new cast. Theilen basically a TE out there.

the last half decade has me unable to see a glass that is half full in regards to the Panthers. That's not negativity. But if you watch someone pour half the glass all over the floor over and over.....I just call it what it generally has proven to be until that cycle is broken.

I mean, I don't think Bryce Young is a NFL QB. He doesn't have the tools. I think we are just playing a waiting game. I think his ceiling is serviceable starter w/ great talent/scheme. I just don't want to invest resources (picks/money) into run centric players and scheme in the name of hiding/protecting Bryce for a season. No big picture point in that. Bryce did dink and dunk....but not with dink and dunk skill talent or in a dink and dunk scheme. It's was all stupid. Everything about what we did.

I got no issue w/ running the ball. But I don't see the point in hiding Bryce Young at this point. And I don't want to invest resources or acquire players going forward and building toward a run blocking centric OL. Biggest problem the Panthers have had is bad marriages. If you want to "fix" Bryce Young.....you got to put him in a scheme that caters to him. Not hides him. No real end game to hiding him. I think we should focus on building a functional pass attack. If Bryce can't do it you move on from him after or during this upcoming season. Bryce needs speed at RB, slot, etc in the pass game. You want to call him a PG and distributor.....have a scheme and talent that sets it up. We didn't do that last year.

Diggs seems more of a throwback to the diva era. I mean, if he has an issue w/ Josh Allen and the best window of his career.....he would have BIG problems here. Pretty sure Diggs has always been a grumpy WR with his QBs. Same w/ Cousins.

but again, if you realized you screwed the pooch with Bryce? Why wouldn't you just replace Bryce.....vs catering your team/talent/investments toward outdated football going forward? you can draft a RB in mid to late rounds and have a good run game in today's NFL if you got the passing game in place (and that's the most important things to have in place given the rules).

things said last offseason for 200 Alex how that wasn't addressed last offseason continues to be mindboggling. A relatively cheap element to a committee. Fitterer didn't do it. Overpaid an early down runner who Philly told us sucked in the pass game.