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I can tolerate Worthy. But I'll be mad if his teammate is there and they pick Worthy over Mitchell.

zooming out though? We had THE worst offense in the NFL. Improving on the O is a bigger need than improving on the D. And you have legit D coach in Carolina that likely can do more via scheme than reliance on individuals. We don't have the same type proven coaching in the O side.

Dude walked out of OU as a freshman because the coach wouldn't give him the job over a kid projected at the time to be a 1st round draft pick. He is acting like an elementary school kid crying in his momma's lap on field after their 2nd loss this year. some of his teammates seemed to be glad he was gone in that Bowl game. then you can basically listen to any casual interview he does like with The Pivot or whatever, dude seems just a mess IMO. Hard to actually listen to that dude and think he will mesh with grown NFL men. Pivot guys seemed hard pressed to bite their tongues at times to his utter nonsense. I just have never seen it with this kid. He put up some numbers in the PAC12. He won 1 random bowl game in college. I just don't buy folks trying to sell him as better prospect than Burrow, Trevor, etc. like they try. I'm definitely a Caleb hater. Too many likeable folks to pull for IMO. He ain't one.

Leggette is 6'1 and Coleman is 6'3. Leggette has a better vertical jump and IMO is the better athlete. Which is why Leggette had better numbers with contested balls by a fair margin. Like I said, I get not liking Leggette. I just don't get disliking Leggette and wanting Coleman.

Us: Maybe we are playing 4D chess Likely the reality of the Tepper front office:

true, but to date it is what it is. Looks comically bad. But if Bryce doesn't develop and Caleb busts.....the trade still looks like the Panthers manage assets like clowns.

Bryce is pretty risk adverse and leans toward being a dink and dunker. Which means your O isn't going to threaten dudes without YAC players. Change the DNA of the QB, the highs get higher and the lows get lower. It's why Bryce just had 10 picks on the year.

I mean you only can devote so much time to the worst team in professional sports….its bad business. But the jabs and low blows will always be there.

I mean to date, if we are being fair.....we still would classify as a bad place for Bryce. He is on his 3rd playcaller and 2nd offense in two seasons. This season is an inexperienced OC and an inexperienced HC. And the skill talent around him is still hopes and wishes in large part. We are still sort of the poster org for what you shouldn't be doing w/ a QB like Bryce.

well, I just mention it because it's technically our pick and links to us.... and it will be something folks talk about down the road.

I think Bryce would have done better in Trey Lances spot in SF.....and Trey Lance would have done better in Bryce's landing spot. Better might need a disclaimer in terms of Lance. Probably higher highs and lower lows.

not sure he checks the boxes above the shoulders. Which is a big one. he seems mentally weak and a bad fit for a NFL locker room. We have seen loads of dudes that have checked the physical boxes in spades.

I just think where you go matters way more than some fans acknowledge. I think Bryce's flaws were going to matter more in some places than others. Given what he is, his offensive scheme and the skill talent were and are going to dictate his success. We were a worse case scenario for him essentially. Bad scheme, bad playcalling, bad OL and weak skill talent for what he would need to do with the ball. He frankly probably overachieved given what he was if being honest. He is built to be in a good situation.

yeah, I'm super hard on Bryce. But he is likeable in the end. He didn't complain at all despite their being tons to complain about if you were him last year. And he dusted his little self off over and over last year. I think if he fine tunes a lot and gets help....he can be a decent player. The Panthers setup the expectations out of reach w/ the trade IMO. #1 overall already comes w/ near unrealistic expectations. Huge trade just added even more. He doesn't have the tools to live up to the spot they essentially put him in. Which isn't really a Bryce thing in the end but a Carolina thing. The assets in the end put up beside what he will be is never going to look good on paper.

I will say this, as a luke warm to cold Bryce guy....I'd much rather pull for Bryce Young vs having to pull for Caleb Williams. Caleb seems mentally weak, idiotic, and unable to lead a team of grown men due to being a mega clown. Bryce just lacks the Madden created tools you want your QB to have and likely is going to resemble Eli's leadership more so than Peyton's. And the brothers got the same rings in the end off both styles.

I think Thielen would be fine in a vertical offense where slot play isn't prioritized and essentially is a later read. In a dink and dunk offense.....the slot is prioritized different. I don't care what they are selling a disgruntled Johnson. The X isn't going to be the main target/look for Bryce. He can only run the slant so many times before defenses sit on it and take that away. Then what's Bryce going to do over there.

I'd be more comfortable overpaying the first vet cut that has real C experience. If Corbett fails or gets hurt.....a rookie C is bad news for Bryce IMO. Not saying you can't draft a kid. But the whole revamping of the OL and having a makeshift C leaves me uneasy. If the C spot is a mess, all that money and investment at G gets minimized.

Yep, past 2 years combined he doesn’t even have 70 rec yards added up. He is a body with a pulse. the offense was so bad and so predictable that a surprise end around run a couple times has some folks thinking this dude is legit. The math ain’t mathing.

No room? We have the league’s worst offense We got zero long term offensive skill position players on the roster. We have a huge investment we are trying to save at QB. Fixing the O should be priority 1, 2 and 3. Mingo and ISM combined for 450 yards and no TDs. And there is no guarantee they are better next year. the highlights to our roster are a WR that can’t run and had really bad per touch production we forced the ball to and a disgruntled WR the rest of the league didn’t want…..whose former team has a track record of getting rid of dudes who fall off a cliff after doing so. we got room

He doesn’t have the speed for the outside. He doesn’t have the speed for small ball slot. I’d like his reps decreased and more situational. He wasn’t deadly IMO. We were the least threatening O on the NFL going through Thielen…..his yards per touch were sad. That’s what I call him a glorified TE at this stage. And he isn’t getting faster. and he is a double edge sword IMO given Bryce is the QB. That’s where he is going to go….I wouldn’t care as much about him with a different QB

They won’t be reaching for a WR at the top of the 2nd (33-39) unless things go completely insane….. I mean, the top of 2nd is where legit WRs should be. Now they could pick the wrong WR. But positionally WR shouldn’t be a reach there pending guys don’t fall and things go crazy ahead of us.

Johnson and Theilen are also both most likely gone after this season vs hanging around. Thielen is basically a TE limiting the O given what Bryce wants and needs to do with the ball. WR is a hole short term and long term….and it’s tied to salvaging our QB. a 2nd rookie corner likely isn’t going to impact much…. especially if the pass game doesn’t drastically improve. I still think a WRs and a rec RB would do more potentially for us than anything else. Cogs in the wheel to fix the offense. We don’t need a super stud. We need improved O talent all over the map. Speed.

we can sprinkle talent everywhere and solve nothing. There is really good offensive skill talent in this draft at WR,. If we draft two, odds improve you actually solve a problem. plus we need to see if we can salvage the massive investment at QB. That should take priority over defending the pass and not being able to move the ball on offense. You can’t move the ball….its not going to matter about your D talent.

I mean it would be a very Panther thing to do….to avoid WR in a WR draft. No arguing that. We are the worst team in all of sports for a reason.

adding a rookie C isnt much of a better plan for 2024. Think they need to pay an old vet that gets cut later at C in case Corbett stinks