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Not a surprise. He has to get into football shape. doesn’t matter. Game comes down to Sam and the OL.

Sam is in the PJ tier of QBs. That’s what Sam is. He just happened to be a high draft pick. And people haven’t gotten over that somehow

Well, we have played worse teams and teams just as bad as that Lions team….and we have had more dominate defensive performances in some of them too and it the final score wasn’t 20-0. PJ’s first start was fine. Simple as that. And the PJ critics that claim he is horrific…largely stay hyper focused on the stats of him coming in throwing haymakers in a comeback attempt. That’s not his job nor a scenario to evaluate him. He is a backup QB. And the one time he was asked to actually do his job…he did it. Moved the team well. Was accurate and efficient. 2 bad balls don’t void everything. Sam Darnold is a backup QB. Any knock you have on PJ applies to Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold isn’t better. That’s my point. That isn’t PJ hype. PJ shouldn’t see the field. Only reason it is even discussed is because Darnold shouldn’t either. I mean PJ ain’t going 0-17 if that is why you think Sam is on a different tier. Panthers would find ways to win some with him too. Especially vs the bad teams.

PJ has been asked to realistically do his job once. we won 20-0. Seems serviceable. His job isn’t to lead the team to huge comebacks after the starters have gotten us into massive holes. That’s not the job.

I don’t think he plays. He has been on the shelf too long. One light practice or whatever he had this week isn’t going to put him in game shape yet.

yeah, I mean Curtis was actually a RB in college. We can't just use him like Curtis. But I think you could dress up the run game a little with him. Some end around action whether it be real or not just to give some aid to Chuba by presenting it. Maybe a screen here or a pop pass here or there.

it took 1 start to figure out PJ... but 44 in with Sam and you don't know? I mean, Sam has been pretty consistent as a QB. USC, NY and now here.

I don't think the odds of him going to jail at this point are high at all. Acquiring him and him not actually being allowed to play in the 2021 or the 2022 season? Super high.

Still his 4th year as a starter. This is the Teddy arguement all over again. It's not all a Jets creation. A lot of Sam's issues existed before the Jets. He has those issues here. Because it's what he is. Some of it is just QB DNA. You can't change certain things. Good athelte. Good dude. Not a great QB.

It is Sam’s 4th year as a starting NFL QB. Think it is safe to speak on him not being a very good at playing QB at this point. Who has clear cut issues that have nothing to do with the Jets. They exist here and were the same concerns coming out of USC.

I think the gap between Gilmore and every corner here is pretty big. I’d rather just go find a S if we kept Gilmore around.

You know what PJ’s training camp battle with Grier and his NFL starts have in common?

I mean nothing you are saying refutes what you claim to be “calling out”…. Does Tua having a winning record despite being a young player on a bad team? Yep. Does he have a good endzone/turnover split despite being a young player on a bad team? Yep. Did he play well last weekend in his second game of the season despite being a young player on a and team? Yep. did you actually have a point? You think Tua is trash and should be moved on from after not even playing a seasons worth of games? Then say that.

this you? I mean you are on here talking about Cam Newton wasn’t a great rushing threat.

Again, they have a winning record with Tua. Tua wasn’t the QB for all those losses this year. did you watch the Jags/Phins game? Is your argument Tua is why? Tua played well. I mean if you wanted to single out that part, you could of at least attempted to disprove it.

Yes, Cam Newton is the greatest rushing threat in NFL history. lol. Going the he doesn’t run like Vick/Lamar route means nothing. No, he doesn’t run like them. He was much more problematic. Every run was on the table like he was a featured HB….but with the numbers edge that a QB runner brings. He is the greatest rushing threat because he didn’t have to run away from people. That was the problem for defenses. He was always at the advantage. And there has been nothing like him and probably never will be. Love him or hate him, he is a unicorn.

I think front offices simply don’t want the media and fans in on what they are doing. So when it doesn’t work out….they get to pretend nothing happened and don’t have to address it. take Washington denying they are the team wanting Tua. It would make sense. But they don’t want everyone to know that. Because If you don’t get him….you still have to deal with what you have in house and may have to for some time. So you get to play the cards that you always had complete faith in guys….that you actually want to upgrade on.

Again, you either don’t understand the real point or are intentionally missing the point. We have a roster full of guys worse than Cam present day. That’s the problem. It’s not an argument to sign Cam. And someone having a stronger arm doesn’t make them a better QB. See last season as further evidence. Cam Newton is still the biggest rushing mismatch in NFL history. Which is why he ultimately is still so much better than guys.

Last time we faced a trash NY team….we barely squeaked by in reality. I got faith the D can setup a win. I just don’t know if the O can do their part. Just too inconsistent. And turnovers are clearly becoming a real issue.

They don’t really conflict. they said the Panthers have talked to the Texans about Watson Rhule simply said HE didn’t. That’s not his job either. Then gave coach speak on Sam. clearly Carolina would be interested in what they would view as a good deal. That just doesn’t seem to be on the table. and for the record, I don’t want Watson in a giveaway deal at this point. GM shouldn’t be looking for a good value there.

There is enough legit reporting that we have been in on Watson. It’s the words that matter. We aren’t in the mix ….means the price is too high for us. But clearly we have been asking about it.

Cam had more wins last year than the Panthers or Sam. And the NE roster was trash. But yeah, let’s keep skipping over that type stuff. Cam could literally run every down as a wildcat QB….and the outcome would be better than if you put some QBs on rosters in a game. He is still a nightmare mismatch even if his shoulder can’t recover. And again the argument isn’t about Cam being the guy anywhere. He shouldn’t be. There is nothing to built toward with him. He just a body at this point and too big of a personality to make sense almost anywhere. But clearly, better than a lot of guys collecting checks. There is some The Golden Calf of Bristol to Cam now. When The Golden Calf of Bristol left….there weren’t 64 better QBs in the NFL in terms of finding a win for your team. There just wasn’t a point in going the The Golden Calf of Bristol route. There was no future there and it was too much of a circus to bring him in short term in any role.

again, Cam’s days as the guy are done…. Conversation ain’t really about Cam. But if Cam is better than what you got….that says something about your team.

This year or if we keep Gilmore Next season, I see zero reason to move him to FS. he would be the best CB on the team. Why wouldn’t you play the best CB at CB?

Yeah, because he is a superstar personality in a weird window of his career to be that…..and was unvaccinated. Today, there aren’t 32 better QBs starting in the NFL. And there certainly aren’t 32 better backups.