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and if we put aside the fact that Joe Brady was a newb OC. He was a passing guy. Another thing that didn't fit with Matt Rhule or his 2021 Sam Darnold experiment. Which brings into question the McAdoo pairing w/ Rhule and Sam Darnold. I think McAdoo was literally the only name that was willing to take the job. McAdoo had spent the last 3 years getting rejected. McAdoo's 4 years in NY as OC and HC? He was top 9 all 4 seasons in pass attempts. So Matt Rhule just acquired another coach that believes the answer is found in the pass. His track record goes against what Matt Rhule keeps claiming he is about and we are about. Not that I disagree with the pass game being the emphasis. It should be. That is where the answers are found in today's game.

I mean, winning a single game with The Golden Calf of Bristol as your QB IMO is a pretty big accomplishment. I would give him high praise if The Golden Calf of Bristol was forced on him. The fact he wanted The Golden Calf of Bristol is the headscratcher.

No spin. It is simply factual that we were 21st in points allowed in 2021. It is simply factual that all the best players currently on the roster existed before Matt Rhule signed his name on a contract. CMC. DJ Moore. Moton. Burns. Jackson. Shaq. * you said one of the better defesnes in the league. Now in this post you change the languge to "improved". Technically, they got worse in points allowed in 2021. They went from 18th to 21st.

Joe Brady is only relevant at this point in terms of how it relates to what a cartoon job Matt Rhule has done. It's not my fault you are fixated on Joe Brady as a stand alone topic and refuse to see how this is a Matt Rhule discussion. You don't want it to be. So you choose to act like this is really about just Joe Brady lol.

We were 21st in points allowed last year. All the best players on this team currently are all the ones that existed in 2019 before Matt Rhule arrived. CMC, DJ Moore, Brian Burns, Moton, Jackson, Shaq. Everyone else is just a draft pick that remains a question mark. Can't even put Chinn on the list now since this staff seems determined to misuse and play him now. Once it looked like we might have hit on someone special they quickly went about ending that. He did bring in some stud one year rentals but they are gone now. And they never made sense if you were actually building this thing from the foundation up.

I don't spend my days wishing for Sam Darnold to be good. Or Matt Rhule. We already know the answers to such. Matt Corral? Yeah, I hope he is good.

I mean that's not what incomptent people do. They think there bad ideas will work. Another example would be thinking the worst starter in the NFL over the past 3 seasons should be acquired for tons of draft captial (on a rebuilding team) and made to be THE guy. lol. I'm sure Matt Rhule actually thought that was a great idea and would work. But Matt isn't good at his job. Therefore his good ideas.....are often very bad. I think he thought his all college staff was a great idea, and go heavy Temple/Baylor, punting from the oppoents 30 and so on.

a mistake? No. A mistake isn't how you would define Matt Rhule though. We just happen to be talking about one of the many. 2 years in and there isn't anything you can say Matt Rhule does well. There is a lot you can say he does poorly. Which makes him unique. Everyone else is fired when that is the case. But we also have a bad owner. Such is the life currently in Carolina world.

yeah, you really struggle with some very basic concepts. Joe Brady is a talented young coach (2019 and 2020 back that thought). Will he pan out as a NFL OC down the road? Who knows. But if you were going to give him a shot in 2020 being a new OC....you would need to have an enviroment where he could have a realistic shot of growing and the O working well while he does that. Again, the Byron Leftwich example. His first OC job.....was under a OC/HC AND paired with superstar QB. Both of who could be heavily involved as he grew. If you have a weak NFL HC that was never offensive minded even in college. He then brings an all college staff with him to the NFL. You then opt to roll with the worst QB in the NFL. Give him a bad OL and a rookie RB on top of that? A talented young OC is going to look like a nightmare by design. You don't get any answers on what Joe Brady is or isn't given that creation. Maybe was would have been great. Maybe he was horrible. But Matt Rhule's creation in 2021 prohbits anyone from knowing anything about Joe Brady at that point. All you know for sure is Matt Rhule build a disaster designed to fail in 2021.

yeah, and it was a pretty obivous mistake. Which is kinda Matt Rhule's thing. Which is the point of talking about Joe Brady.

Joe Brady didn't hire himself. Yet, somehow you don't think that is a Matt Rhule issue and a sign of his incompentence.

and I also don't think Rhule should of hired Joe Brady to begin with. If you wanted to hire a green OC....you can't have a staff and roster that looked like ours. That's failure by design. Which becomes a Matt Rhule discussion given he is the architect. The failure of Joe Brady and our offense is a much bigger dicussion than Joe Brady. It's largely a front office discussion.

Tepper does not like the boo birds. Cam isn’t going to be there to stop them next time.

He only took 2018 off. He was trying to land OC jobs again starting in 2019. That’s 3 straight years of people not wanting him.

I’d say it was probably overall a negative that Rhule purged the team of all leadership and combined that with a comical college staff. and you don’t have to be playing at an elite level to provide leadership. a lot of times some great leadership is provided by guys that are on the back 9.

I don't think McAdoo is good. Better fit for Rhule than Brady though. There is that. But McAdoo is basically getting the same treatment as our GM. Everyone not named Matt Rhule basically gets a bump they don't deserve. as soon as Coughlin was out of the picture, McAdoo oversaw horrific offense as the HC of the Giants once Coughlin was gone. People downplay that Coughlin was a very solid NFL coach. Probably the higher end of the Fox/Rivera tier. He just wasn't likable. I think it is overplayed that a Super Bowl/Pro Bowl QB was able to have success while McAdoo was OC and that is the only part of his story now told. He couldn't land an OC gig after he left NY. And he could only land a position coach gig with the worst team in the NFL.

yeah, I mean there is a poster going around claiming Matt Rhule inherited a horrible situation because he lost all these leaders and former greats when got here. However.... what that poster continues to ignore is Matt Rhule straight up cut them all. He inhertied leadership and he choose to send them all packing (Luke being the lone exception. And Luke was probably just too smart to sacrifice his body for the clown show). Rhule inherited Cam - Rhule cut him Rhule inherited Olsen - Rhule cut him Rhule inherited Reid - Rhule cut him.

I mean, for an undrafted kid, Philly Brown was okay. and he also embarrased Talib in the Super Bowl. Which is why Talib tried to break his neck. He had 4 catches for 80 yards before getting knocked out in the 3rd quarter. Talib couldn't handle Philly. Let's make that clear. Talib is trash.

he got a gig with the lowly Jags for one season as a QB coach. That's been the only post NY gig he got. He even applied to be our QB coach twice and we turned him down both times. I consider consultant gig just the good old boys coaching network of giving some one a paycheck. I don't count those as coaching gigs.

well, he needs more than that. He needs playcalling. You can have a decent OL and talent....but if you are running a predictable and unimaginative O then your talent basically all gets downgraded. McAdoo still has some legit redflags. While Eli did have 2 great statistical seasons while he was OC, McAdoo's head coaching tenure was defined by predictable and very unimaginative offense. So there still are some question marks on if Eli (a SuperBowl/Pro Bowl ) QB simply took advatnage of OBJ being an intital problem for folks to cover and it not being create actual playcalling and scheme. And it also makes me nervous the league almost deemed him unemployable until we gave him this OC job. Heck, if Matt Rhule said no thanks to Ben twice being his QB coach.....then suddently his is good enough to be OC.

I don't give a rip if Corral might of had a bit too much fun early in college. That basically describes 99% of college kids. What matters is how he settled in. And most importantly he has a natural leadership (which is key) and a fun style to his game. After all, this is entertainement. I still remember Rhule almost bragging about Sam not needing to be a leader lol. Yeah, the brand and his master vision.

gotcha. That makes sense then. That would have been crazy a good deal.

Not just HC’s that were OCs/playcallers but elite QBs in addition that are heavily involved in playcalling. Which means they don’t even need an OC if push comes to shove. That’s the type scenario where a young OC can flourish. Learn. I even gave him an example Byron Leftwich. Who won a Super Bowl in his second season as being an OC. Byron isn’t actually great yet. Just in a great spot to grow and flourish. it never made sense for Rhule to hire Joe Brady. Rhule created something a small child could understand wouldn’t work. Green OC + Sam Darnold + no one staff that had a clue Matt Rhule got poundaway so scrambled he can’t even grasp basics at this point. He has to turn everything into a weird Rhule defense where he breaks his back. Maybe Brady fails everywhere he goes or maybe he doesn’t. But Rhule created an situation where it was going to fail. And Matt Rhule is still here.

Reading up on him it sounds like he never played a single legit rep at S his entire college career. Overcome a lot and just wanted to be part of Penn State and eventually got on the field as a special team gunner. Uniquely fast which I guess was the curiosity. but if he never played a legit down as a S in college and was only a gunner…..I would imagine he might of just been outclassed grinding it out as a designated DB in a camp environment.