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Joe Brady didn't hire himself. Yet, somehow you don't think that is a Matt Rhule issue and a sign of his incompentence.

and I also don't think Rhule should of hired Joe Brady to begin with. If you wanted to hire a green OC....you can't have a staff and roster that looked like ours. That's failure by design. Which becomes a Matt Rhule discussion given he is the architect. The failure of Joe Brady and our offense is a much bigger dicussion than Joe Brady. It's largely a front office discussion.

Tepper does not like the boo birds. Cam isn’t going to be there to stop them next time.

He only took 2018 off. He was trying to land OC jobs again starting in 2019. That’s 3 straight years of people not wanting him.

I’d say it was probably overall a negative that Rhule purged the team of all leadership and combined that with a comical college staff. and you don’t have to be playing at an elite level to provide leadership. a lot of times some great leadership is provided by guys that are on the back 9.

I don't think McAdoo is good. Better fit for Rhule than Brady though. There is that. But McAdoo is basically getting the same treatment as our GM. Everyone not named Matt Rhule basically gets a bump they don't deserve. as soon as Coughlin was out of the picture, McAdoo oversaw horrific offense as the HC of the Giants once Coughlin was gone. People downplay that Coughlin was a very solid NFL coach. Probably the higher end of the Fox/Rivera tier. He just wasn't likable. I think it is overplayed that a Super Bowl/Pro Bowl QB was able to have success while McAdoo was OC and that is the only part of his story now told. He couldn't land an OC gig after he left NY. And he could only land a position coach gig with the worst team in the NFL.

yeah, I mean there is a poster going around claiming Matt Rhule inherited a horrible situation because he lost all these leaders and former greats when got here. However.... what that poster continues to ignore is Matt Rhule straight up cut them all. He inhertied leadership and he choose to send them all packing (Luke being the lone exception. And Luke was probably just too smart to sacrifice his body for the clown show). Rhule inherited Cam - Rhule cut him Rhule inherited Olsen - Rhule cut him Rhule inherited Reid - Rhule cut him.

I mean, for an undrafted kid, Philly Brown was okay. and he also embarrased Talib in the Super Bowl. Which is why Talib tried to break his neck. He had 4 catches for 80 yards before getting knocked out in the 3rd quarter. Talib couldn't handle Philly. Let's make that clear. Talib is trash.

he got a gig with the lowly Jags for one season as a QB coach. That's been the only post NY gig he got. He even applied to be our QB coach twice and we turned him down both times. I consider consultant gig just the good old boys coaching network of giving some one a paycheck. I don't count those as coaching gigs.

well, he needs more than that. He needs playcalling. You can have a decent OL and talent....but if you are running a predictable and unimaginative O then your talent basically all gets downgraded. McAdoo still has some legit redflags. While Eli did have 2 great statistical seasons while he was OC, McAdoo's head coaching tenure was defined by predictable and very unimaginative offense. So there still are some question marks on if Eli (a SuperBowl/Pro Bowl ) QB simply took advatnage of OBJ being an intital problem for folks to cover and it not being create actual playcalling and scheme. And it also makes me nervous the league almost deemed him unemployable until we gave him this OC job. Heck, if Matt Rhule said no thanks to Ben twice being his QB coach.....then suddently his is good enough to be OC.

I don't give a rip if Corral might of had a bit too much fun early in college. That basically describes 99% of college kids. What matters is how he settled in. And most importantly he has a natural leadership (which is key) and a fun style to his game. After all, this is entertainement. I still remember Rhule almost bragging about Sam not needing to be a leader lol. Yeah, the brand and his master vision.

gotcha. That makes sense then. That would have been crazy a good deal.

Not just HC’s that were OCs/playcallers but elite QBs in addition that are heavily involved in playcalling. Which means they don’t even need an OC if push comes to shove. That’s the type scenario where a young OC can flourish. Learn. I even gave him an example Byron Leftwich. Who won a Super Bowl in his second season as being an OC. Byron isn’t actually great yet. Just in a great spot to grow and flourish. it never made sense for Rhule to hire Joe Brady. Rhule created something a small child could understand wouldn’t work. Green OC + Sam Darnold + no one staff that had a clue Matt Rhule got poundaway so scrambled he can’t even grasp basics at this point. He has to turn everything into a weird Rhule defense where he breaks his back. Maybe Brady fails everywhere he goes or maybe he doesn’t. But Rhule created an situation where it was going to fail. And Matt Rhule is still here.

Reading up on him it sounds like he never played a single legit rep at S his entire college career. Overcome a lot and just wanted to be part of Penn State and eventually got on the field as a special team gunner. Uniquely fast which I guess was the curiosity. but if he never played a legit down as a S in college and was only a gunner…..I would imagine he might of just been outclassed grinding it out as a designated DB in a camp environment.

I feel bad for Fields. Drafted by a bad coach who wanted to push Andy Dalton and didn’t seem to want him. And they literally have no talent to add his development. Even less now. Spent their first two picks in this draft on DBs. It’s routine to hate on Ron and what he didn’t do for Cam….but Cam wouldn’t of been rookie of the year, MVP, etc for all 32 teams. He at least had a coach that was at least all in on the idea of Cam. Read option. Everything was at least about Cam in mindset. He just didn’t get the OL right long term and I think got blinded by super Cam. But he came into the league with Olsen, Shockey, 89, and two decent RBs surrounding him. It’s about where you land so often in the NFL.

Can you list the non-subjective markers that you believe make Rhule owner of the most difficult coaching job anyone has ever faced? I mean, I get Covid existed. And every coach from HS, to college to the NFL were all tasked to navigate that with no blueprint.

No doubt he was always in over his head. Anyone would be whose who first gig was NFL OC. 2020 was actually pretty good. They overachieved on offense. Moved the ball well all year. We were in every game thanks to that. Just some situational stuff. The hard parts. Which was normal and to be expected. The league was impressed with his year 1. Really needed Teddy to be more aggressive on throws that were there. then came the worst QB in the NFL to town. Ball game. Joe Brady wasn’t close to being good enough to deal with that. He was in his infancy and a great and experienced OC would look bad with Sam. Of course Brady looked bad.

Well, Joe Brady certainly wasn’t good enough to deal with Matt Rhule going the Sam Darnold route. That is for sure. I’m sure Sam Darnold had nothing to do with Brady going from a relatively promising first year to a trainwreck.

What a minute. What did those 3 Rams tickets cost? Am I reading that right?

Joe Brady would have made sense for a team like KC or Tampa. HC is an experienced NFL OC that likes to control things. Uber talented QB that is going to be involved with play calling. It’s an environment for growth. Which is what someone who has never been an OC needs. See Leftwich.

Teddy had the 18th biggest cap hit among QBs. I realize the dead money was bad. But that doesn’t mean Rhule wasn’t out there making his own mess. We were promised a rebuild. Rhule could of gone that path. He opted not too. Or he just doesn’t know what he is doing. I don’t care about winning if we are rebuilding. He just seems to be wasting our time at this point though. 5 win seasons aren’t all created equal. Depends what has gone into it. I mean his first major decision here was to have CMC be the highest paid RB in the NFL. That’s not how you rebuild. Nor is his mismanagement of the QB spot. Rentals like Reddick. Gilmore. Rhule isn’t rebuilding squat. His actions have always countered whatever Tepper was selling us IMO. Losing is fine if their is vision. Rhule ain’t got it.

Well, he did spend money. It’s was just on the wrong guys and/or for the wrong price. top 4 biggest cap hits were to those 4 he brought in. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/2020/ and I didn’t have a major problem with Teddy once they cut Cam. I still think that was the obvious path. Play out his final year and start a new kid. We overpaid Teddy, sure. Pending you were actually going to use him as it set up for it at least made sense. He gets a base O up and running quick and the drafted kid takes over the following year. But it made sense. It’s rebuilding, not about winning there. But again, Rhule botched it all and just made a mess. He doesn’t seem to know what he wants to do and has never seemed to have a real vision or plan on how to build or go forward. Every year is some desperate move for some QB that really fits on a team that is only a QB away. Which is what we are nor has ever fit what Tepper claims we are doing.

Your keep projecting nonsense in order to argue against the narrative you throw against the wall. It’s not my first rodeo.