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we also played a pretty soft schedule last season. So I suspect life will be much harder on a defense that likely took a step back coming into this season.

we are not a plug in Matt Stafford and ready to contend type team in 2022. We aren't a QB away in 2022.

front 7 on defense is pretty suspect. And Reddick was a pretty big loss comparing last year to this year. we also only have 1 reliable WR/TE in the pass game and that is DJ. So we have to add to that. and to some extent, many just have defaulted us into now having a strong OL in 2022 just because we have added new bodies. We have seen that before even in recent times. Where you can't just check the box at as it existing and solved because we have new guys in town. and obviously, to be competive does require good in game management, gameplanning and roster decisions. And those presently are still things people hope will occur but to date haven't under Rhule.

1. Cool, you don't want to speculate about our offense and what we will do w/ McAdoo or Corral. Then don't. Pretty easy. then that makes the rest pointless to respond to you about.

1. If you draft a QB like Corral in 2022 and install him into some old John Fox era pro style offense. Then you shouldn't of drafted him. Again, look at this college tape. Look at other guys that have come out of similar offenses and what teams have done w/ them. We do have a very good idea of what a Corral offense SHOULD look like. 2. Again, Matt Corral played at Ole Miss. He didn't play under center. Go watch some of his games. You think the Panthers would play him and not heavily utlizie the shotgun? Then the McAdoo aspect on top of that? His history of being shotgun heavy? So yeah, assumption would be McAdoo WOULD design an offense that most likely puts Corral in the shotgun. 3. Lot of well rounded vets get cut every year in camp. You don't have to trade to add this caliber of depth. 4. Royce isn't on our roster. And Hubbard would have to make extreme progression to put him back there with a rookie QB in shotgun. Hubbard's issues aren't just his hands but pass protection. 5. LOL. Not planning for injuries is a fools errand. Especially for a player that hasn't really seen the field hardly for years now.

I'd like to seem somewhere around the midseason mark. Late enough for him to get a feel for things (playbook, speed, etc). But early enough for their be enough games to really get a glimpse of what might be there. Hope he gets the 2nd half of the schedule. But I feel there are high odds of it going 2 other ways too. He is forced in too early. Which could hurt or start an every week musical chairs. Or just too late. Rhule going Sam for too long. Then going PJ for too long. Then getting like the last 2 with Corral.

and maybe I could of articulated it better but the thread is also about your depth matching what you want to do (which that part is speculated but that is based on McAdoo's history as an OC and Corral's entire college career). You could use a TE as an example. A solid TE group would be dependent on what type offense you want to run and what you would ideally would be asking of that group. So solid depth could mean run blockers or a cast of pass catchers. It's not univerally good depth. Same group might be sufficient for one O or too weak for another. The depth at this point, doesn't appear on face value to really match up as good as it could. Both McAdoo and Corral ran heavy shotgun offenses. You think of the asks of those offenses, you don't really think Hubbard and Foreman type RBs. They IMO are more the hand it off and play D type RBs. Just seems like instead of waiting until CMC gets hurt to add an Abdullah type early instead of in season. And if we did run a shotgun scheme it would allow CMC to rotate out and play WR a lot (which was been the talk and what most here want to see).

lol. my bad. That makes sense.

Why wouldn’t we play Matt Corral in the preseason?

If CMC goes down and we play Matt Corral….we don’t have the backfield in place for him to be successful IMO. And if we play Matt Corral and CMC is healthy it might be beneficial to give CMC a fair amount of slot WR looks. Specifically brought it up because it isn’t an obvious spot or conversation.

Something to keep an eye on though when cuts happen though IMO.

Depends. I think we are good to go if Sam is the QB. Foreman and Chubba fit that IMO. I just think Corral would be a Corral specific offense. And I don’t think Foreman and Chubba serve that one as well. I don’t view Sam and Matt as interchangeable QBs into the same offense and playcalls. So who is playing might would dictate slightly what style of players you want. Think we should be prepared either way.

Another pro of adding RB that fits a Corral friendly scheme would be the hopeful flexibility of moving CMC to the slot some. Which could be a lethal combo with Corral’s quick trigger

I'm not talking about much of an investment. We have CMC. Just some who schematically fits a system that Corral does well for depth if he gets hurt again. and if we are putting Matt Corral back there I want him to have success. But he will be a rookie. Pairing him up w/ a rooke to take on those pass protections and all that I don't think sounds ideal. Rookie RBs often struggle in that area.

I have said you don't need to pay RBs big money. Which you don't. You can find them rather easily that can produce. We don't have one presently on the roster, CMC went down, that fits the type scheme that was suggested in the first post. Which would be a blend of what Corral did at Ole Miss and McAdoo did well in NY. Mix those together it isn't isn't an offense catered toward a power runner IMO. Best RB last year for us was the random kid we signed from Minny. He was diverse. Could do it all. Was the best overall RB we had on our roster once CMC went down. Nothing negative in this thread buddy. Matt Rhule done given you a sickness. That's all you looking for.

that's still more of a gadget/infusion to a ground attack though. If CMC is done and we were to run a heavy gun look that was a mix of what Corral/McAdoo have done well? We would need a legit RB that fits it full time. I mean, you could still sprinkle some Deboo type looks into that I guess.

I hadn't heard that before. To me, that sounds like a bad answer to the question. He might could handle a random end around. But we need a RB that can sit back in shotgun, deal w/ read playaction looks, pass protect, all that jazz. DJ Moore (while one of my favorites), ain't that guy.

Obviously, we have a CMC who can do literally anything. But based on history I think the roster has to be built where you have a plan for if he goes down for an extended period. We brought in D'onta Foreman. A power back. Which is fine. He would have fit in very nice for what Matt Rhule really wanted to do about midway through last season. Take the ball out of the QBs hands and just hand it off and grind it out. He talked about it alot. We rarely did it. We also have Hubbard, which while he isn't a power running RB he is almost exclusively a runner at this point. Needs a lot of work on his hands being a complete and diverse RB at this stage. But is that really a great fit if we do go to a scheme built to cater to Matt Corral at some point this season. Is that a fit for what McAdoo had success doing as an OC with Eli? Corral like so many are most comfortable and at their best playing out of the shotgun. Same w/ Eli when McAdoo was the OC in 2014 and 2015. Seems like if you combined what Corral does well and what McAdoo did well in NY.....we would need to be running a lot of our O out of the shotgun w/ a RB suited for a lot of zone read style playaction looks and with hands. Not sure we have anyone on the roster behind CMC that really suits that.

Pepperidge Farm Remembers * I mean, I am a firm believer that 2003 is the greatest season from a fan following perspective. Even better than the 2015 run. We at least knew we had Cam and Luke. It make sense they could dominate. 2003 was just out of left field and the games were so so close so often. Peak Panther entertainment IMO.

How dare you insult the winner of the 2005 EA Sports QB Challenge.

It was cool. Maybe my eyes are bad. My biggest knock is I kept missing opponents lol….and having to go back

I thought the reveal was a tad weak this year but their standard is super high

Matt Rhule has never lead pass heavy teams. And when he talks it is always more of a John Fox type approach IMO. His talk on many levels never matches the action. He has been trying to land OC jobs for the last 3 years. Going from former HC to only the worst team in the NFL giving you a position job seems like rejection. the Rhule fan club keeps talking hatred. I’m just talking about a the fact we have an incompetent college HC running things and the disaster season we are coming off of. Water is wet.

I think the opening game vs Philly the following year was the saddest game I have ever watched. almost a complete clone. The end of Jake Delhomme.

Never forget