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they should of gone with Mac over Cam. Cam is in the pointless territory in terms of being a starter. There is no future or point in it. week 1? Cam is still better than some of the 28-32 tier of QBs. But it serves no purpose to play him over someone you could be developing to see what they have

they kept talking about it though. He went into the fact the league sets the best 32 because what they need and want. So being a little better than Justin Fields doesn't matter. His ceiling and potential is higher than Cam's.... and they need to get to figuring it out.

What are you arguing? Cam is done as a starter. I don't think he is good. That doesn't mean there isn't truth in what he says. It's the whole 2 things can be true factor of life. Matt Rhule gave Cam Newton 3 games as the guy and they weren't consecutive. The rest were all QB platoons. There was no actual time for Cam to learn and show what you wanted. And on to top of all that? The rest of the offense was going from Brady to whatever Rhule stooge they inserted. I mean, it was a bad spot. That can be true. Cam can also be washed. That can be true. One being true doesn't make the other false.

He basically acknowledged Cam was techincally better today than some of the bottom 32. But the league doesn't carry about that. Nor does he. They have to develop guys with bigger ceilings and long term potential. Which is true. A full prep going into a season, Cam would increase your odds of winning over some of the young QBs. But developing and playing those guys outweighs whatever edge Cam would have snap 1 of week 1. Id want to start the rookie and young players over Cam.

I have not listen to much. Skipped around. Bit I heard, you can tell he isn't ready to talk because he was to be employable. He did hint at the rest of folks upholding their end of the bargain is crucial to success but he wasn't going to get into all that.

The Washington game was just a handful of cherry picked plays for Cam. That basically has a one week shelf life. Rhule also admitted the plan wasn't to keep him out there that long w/ such a limited set of plays but it was working. So his next start he didn't know the offense and their was tape on the hand picked Cam centric plays he could run without knowing the playbook, verbage, etc. I mean, Cam is done. But what he says makes sense. Rhule used him to stop the boos. Once the magic was off his return and folks got a lot at what Rhule was going to do with him it was ballgame.

That's what allows him to be great. Double edged sword.

Podcast is up. Should be a fun listen for later

The Washington game was one of the better QB performances we saw last year. That game still had similar Cam returns juice that AZ had. that L was on Phil Snow and Jackson IMO. Waited way to late to put Gilmore on Scary Terry on passing downs.

Probably all true. I still think he is done as a starter. Could be a great short yardage role player.

But even under a cheap price? I’d rather have the 4th and 5th than rent Baker for a 7 win one and done type season. just play Sam and PJ and get great draft picks. If we don’t t see Corral….then we will just have to draft. Isn’t really a problem if you accidentally end up with 2 good cheap QBs

Actually feeling a little optimistic today and giving him a grade bump

I don’t think we are viewed that way though. I think we are viewed as desperate trying play like we aren’t. and I’m sort using Sam’s trade value as a measuring stick. While I think Baker could be had for cheaper given the bad blood I think some of stuff talked about just too low. If we could get him for a 7th? He’d already be here. The money discussion is also a pick debate IMO.

Well everyone is healthy right now and has a plan. The cap hit is what it is. So why not just sit on the asset if Carolina wants to only give you a 7th. QBs go down every year. And he isn’t much a distraction off to the side not being part of the team. I’d take him for a 7th. I just think the cost will be much more. Think the deal would already been done if they were willing to go that low.

well, it all depends on the cost. We traded a 2nd, 4th and 6th for Sam Darnold. I would be surprised if Carolina somehow lands a better QB for a 7th rounder. I still think Clev has leverage to just sit on Baker and wait for injuries vs giving him up for a 7th rounder.

but if you are trying to build something from the ground up.....and keep trading away draft picks for QBs that almost everyone knows aren't the answer to anything? Seems like a pretty dysfunctional rebuild.

Baker and Cam are both better than Sam. But that can’t be the decision given where we are. They both are pointless in the grand scheme. And I’m a huge Cam guy. But good bye was last year. we either should be developing Corralto see what is there or letting Sam get us another top 10 pick IMO

If you were a Jags fan you would have been calling fake news ever time Urban was being outed. Which many did. Until they couldn’t.

The scariest part of the article right there. The pick(s). no reporter on either side talks about Sam. That’s a huddle thing. And it sounds like the money talk is hand in hand with the pick talk.

Practice squad rules are vastly different now. Blaine Gabbert was on a freaking practice squad last year. Rhule would have to cut PJ for me to believe it. He is super cheap and PJ was a big part in Rhule getting to where he is today. So, yeah, and that type loyalty frankly doesn't bother me if it is limited. PJ actually would be a great scout team type QB for prepping for opponents because of his athleticism. He can mimic a greater variety of opponents. and everyone on the practice squad isn't vulnerable of getting poached off by others teams. Lot of rule changes the last couple seasons. You can make 6 untouchable I believe.

people come to a Panthers message board (where the fanatic fans reside) and some are mad people are complaining about the coach/owners while we are presently in the worst window of the franchises existence lol. It's like choosing to visit New Orleans during Mardi Gras and complaining about too high of a percentage of drunks and boobs. Heck, Ron/Marty and even Foxy hit windows where they got just as much heat as Rhule is getting....and Ron/Fox were clearly better NFL coaches. Yet some are demanding kid gloves for Rhule.

If we sign Baker Mayfield it changes things. Pretty distinctly. Baker would be the #1 and Sam Darnold the #2 heading into week 1. It's not a compeittion either. Baker would be the man. And PJ isn't a guarantee cut because of the Rhule connection. Matt Corral's odds of following a more traditional route of developing behind the scenes then goes up with the adding of Baker Mayfield. It's why I don't want Baker. I want to see Corral play and early (which for me would be midseason). would Rhule making Corral inactive of been a better word? Probably. But the point is pretty much the same regardless. I don't want Baker. Because of the impact he will have and how pointless he is in the grander picture. That's the point of the comment. And their is a reported divide on Baker. The logical assumption is Rhule is the one who wants him. Because Rhule needs to win and quick. Developing Corral and not really caring about wins isn't a luxury he has coming off that horrific 2021.

win%, comp%, TDs to INTs, QB rating, QBR. Jacoby beats Sam on basically every metric. Plenty of them are close but the huge disparity on TDs to INTs I think would comfortably put Jacoby ahead (pending you hadn't overpaid Sam and weren't letting the contract/investment dictate position). I'd personally put Jacoby in the Teddy tier. So I'm not saying Jacoby is good but I'd start him or Teddy over Sam any day. I think they are safe backup style QBs. They aren't winning you games but they can have you in position for someone else to do it.

that's because Rhule and Tepper both have sucked. So you don't have an actual arguement against that.... you just complain and make over the top projections about hatred. again, sometimes people suck at their jobs. This is where it gets talked about in reference the Panthers. You deem that hatred. But that's a you thing. You will need to work on that. People sucking at their jobs is just a reality. Doesn't make them bad people.

you and sizzle might need a safe space thread where everyone promises not to say a bad word about Tepper and Rhule. If we give you that, will you quit complaining thread to thread because people think Matt Rhule sucks at this job.