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I’m simply saying OC doesn’t matter much if you can’t field a certain level of talent at key positions. Not in terms of winning. Just take a an exaggerated example. Andy Reid is forced to play me for 16 games and there is a madden cheat code that I stay healthy. It doesn’t matter Andy Reid is a great offensive coach. He has a fan at QB. He would have his hands tied and all his great plays would be irrelevant. NFL teams can simply play all the wildcat, direct snap and power run stuff he would attempt. He would have the worst offense in NFL history most likely. a good OC isn’t winning with Sam Darnold, behind a bad OL, and a rookie RB that can’t catch. Only so much you can scheme up. Because you will face good coaches….who don’t have talent issues handicapping the play calls. They are largely going to beat the team that can’t field a starting caliber lineup.

Only enjoyable thing about hiring Payton would be listening to 89 talk about it

That sounds like 2020

Matt Rhule’s plan is coming together. also, Rhule clearly a secret Jerry Richardson plant to destroy what he was forced to sell.

equate it to having a punchers chance. Again, given the best player on the field by a wide margin was DJ Moore. there is some weird narrative I don't buy that you could of schemed more success out of last years horrific talent on O. We had the worst QB in the NFL. One of the worst OLs. Large had a rookie RB that couldn't catch. Joe Brady sucked. But a good OC would have sucked with that talent. It's why Josh McDaniel had a worse O than Joe Brady in 2020. You can't magically scheme solutions for horrible talent. Too many opponents have the coaching and talent lined up against you.

Again, we were middle of the pack in terms of run/pass ratio. You seemed to be suggesting we should of been top 10 when we simply didn't have the talent to commit to such. I mean, it just turns into punting every down and accepting defeat at a certain point. Attempting to be balanced is the best you can do when both are weak. And the best player on the field also is DJ Moore. maybe with an improved OL and CMC back we can run more. I'm not arguing against running more. But over committing to the run last year wasn't going to win games either or make us look better. It would just be pathetic offense.

I didn’t ignore the elephant in the room. I said that giant elephant made it even easier to focus on shutting down a weak run game. Especially if you weren’t one of the worst run Ds in the NFL.

the GM literally said yesterday that Tepper would be involved in who they actually decide to start at QB.

If I had to tier/rank the QBs in terms of best option come week 1. Contra Cheat God Mode QB: PJ Walker. You can't die. You can't lose. Average/Competent NFL QB: Baker Rookie/Developmental QB: Corral Drunk Jimmy Clausen on Steriods: Sam Darnold

I mean, the games themselves in large part haven't really allowed it though. I mean, you can want to run....but if you got a weak OL and rookie RB running behind it (and a D not respecting the QB play)? Well the good defenses can simply force you out of it. I think that happened a lot. We played 4 teams that were in the bottom 10 in run defense and we beat 3 of those 4 teams. Problem was our run talent wasn't good enough for the be the gameplan that actually unfolded vs good defenses. They could focus on stopping the run. And had little to fear if they wanted to be aggressive in doing it. You can't exactly impose your will on others when your run game is weak playing against good defenses. It's a talent issue prohibiting it. Compared to other NFL teams, Carolina has been one of the more balanced teams in terms of run vs pass under Rhule. If you look at the teams w/ the heaviest run percentage they had legit run game talent. I mean, sticking to the run when you are forced out of it is just conceding defeat when it is a talent issue primarily.

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And Josh McDaniel had a worse offense than us in 2020. You have to have a certain of talent before your OC matters. Ryan, Vick, Smith, etc are all capable QBs. They just weren’t top tier. Your OC starts to matter once you have capable QB play. If you get a Jimmy Clausen, Sam Darnold type behind C…..Andy Reid would have a bottom half of the league offense with them. You can’t scheme around a guy that can’t do basics in a passing league after a couple weeks. You just lose. If we cloned Andy Reid our offense would have still stunk last year.

QB/OL > OC O requires a certain level of QB play or who your OC is largely becomes irrelevant. Still worried Rhule is going to be stupid. Baker might be too much personality for Rhule…..and cause him to lean to Sam. Baker is going to say a lot more than Teddy.

He interviewed for OC jobs for a couple years. A positional coach with the Jags is all he could get. I mean there is something to that in terms of how the league views him. Could be personality/connection/image driven than talent I guess.

Tepper is basically Shahid Kahn IMO. Maybe a slight upgrade.

True. But it’s still rare for a NFL HC to struggle to find a demoted coordinator job. He finally landed a positional job with the worst team in the NFL years later. so there is something there. What it is? Who knows.

I don’t disagree that Sam is better today. But he is pointless in the long term and short term. I’m merely prioritizing Corral developing and getting better and more reps over Sam. Because regardless of what Sam is owed there is no point to him. There is one to Corral getting work and opportunity. More learning opportunity as the 2.

Tomorrow morning in Matt Rhule's office (Tep on the right, Fitt on the left) Nothing said ever alludes to us being a well run org. Rhule gets final say....but the GM had to go out of his way to say how the entire staff will be involved and the owner too? lol.

Ragnarok probably set the bar for Thor way too high. I think that has a lot to do w/ the "disappointed" reviews. It's better than Thor and Dark World. Not as good as Ragnarok.

Backup QB spot behind a vet IMO is a great place to develop a rookie. You could always keep PJ on the practice squad too for emergency. Sam is just a pointless rep stealer IMO for Corral at this stage. He isn't safe enough to be an actual backup and the development hope IMO is over.

problem w/ the Sam as a backup thing.....is he is the polar opposite of what you look for in backup. Corral fits because he is young and developmental. For a vet, you would prefer a Teddy type as a backup. Sam is a timebomb. A game imploder.

Our QB depth chart is Sam Darnold, PJ Walker and a 3rd round rookie. He is the best option week 1 and it isn’t much of a debate. why wouldn’t you want the best QB on the roster prepping all camp and preseason as the one in a brand new system with brand new teammates vs….other QBs stealing reps with the 1s he needs?

He literally just got dumped by the Browns for a serial predator and no one really wanted him. I’d say that is enough. Now let him be a real QB. Which means taking on a leadership role a QB should have. Early. Another problem we had last year with Rhule BS mantra of a QB just being a random player and not a leader. QBs always needs to lead to an extent.

Maybe, but Rivera still went through with the charade of him earning it and it took the entire preseason before Ron would acknowledge it. It was dumb. And it will be be dumb if Rhule doesn’t just let Baker prep as the 1 and pretends like it is a comp.

Cam technically had to compete. He played as the #2 in the preseason. Don’t think he “earned” the job until after the 4th game. it was dumb. and everyone in Spartanburg will know who gives us the best chance to win. But Rhule probably will play the charade. And Rhule probably will play musical QBs in the season if Baker doesn’t win