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I’d pump the breaks on the QB factory. When was the last time a Bama QB actually pulled off a legit great NFL QB season? Not sure we even have one in the books yet in recent history. Things can be weird to kick off a season.

A steady trend. we leave the same RB and same WRs on the field for the entire game. We stand uniquely alone at both positions in terms of how little diversity we present.

1000% working. Of course it isn't going to show up on a fancy chart. The brand is like John Cena.

Good QBs make plays to good WRs that are "covered". Horn to date, still hasn't experienced what life is even like as a NFL CB because he hasn't faced a single good QB. Nor has he faced a good QB paired with a good WR. I just think too many overstated what he was going into this season. Horn isn't a lock down corner. He hasn't had the opportunity to even make that case yet. But it shouldn't really be something people are looking for yet IMO.

There isn't a thread where I have bashed Horn one time this season. He is a rookie. He is supposed to take the lumps and learn. It's totally normal. And I don't freak out because he is handsy. We drafted a handsy corner that was going to have to learn to play at this level and that opportunity was robbed of him last year. just pointing out that part of the reason some, not me, are hard on him presently.....is because some built him into something he wasn't. He wasn't a shutdown corner last season. He was a rookie that played against trainwreck offenses. and I can seperate the fact we shouldn't be drafting CBs in the top 10 given the state of our franchise at the time from the fact that Horn himself was a great prospect. Both were true.

I mean, the Tepper era is the worst window of success in franchise history to date. Inside of that, the Rhule era is the worst coaching era in franchise history to date. So yeah, it's hard to say this isn't the lowest point in franchise history even if there is a season with less wins.

yeah, I know. It just gets a little weird sometimes in todays NFL w/ the TE position. Ron's teams always had that receiving TE. It was emphasized from day 1. And I think to an extent, when you are building your WR corp the TE can impact how you go about and invest in it. Olsen was basically our WR 1 to an extent and the offense built off that. Makes a little not completely apples to apples.

It gets weird a little with Ron's teams and the receiving corps vs today. Given TE. I think we have nice depth but a lot of that nice depth has really just potential that could look different down the road. I mean, if you look at 2011-2022 I am not certain this is the best our receiving corps has ever been. Especially when looking at the top of it. 89, Olsen, Ginn, LaFell? I'd take that over what we have today. I'd take 89, Olsen, Shockey, LaFell too.

I mean, I think people are coming too hard at him. He is a rookie. But part of the reason people are coming hard at him is because he got drastically overrated and overblown off of last season. I mean, he wasn't a shutdown corner right out of the gate. There was nothing for him to shutdown in reality. He didn't face anything.

It's the definition of Matt Rhule football. No vision, no identify and absolutely nothing being built. Matt Rhule's first move was to make CMC the highest paid RB in the NFL, talks about running the ball and.....keeps adding bad pass happy OCs. Matt Rhule spends a top pick on a man CB despite having no OL, QB, etc....and runs heavy zone coverage.

statistically, isn’t Rhule the worst in the 3rd quarter out of Fox, Ron and Rhule? the point differential in the 3rd I think is comically bad under Rhule I thought?

Yeah, I mean he is still a rookie. His bad games are still coming. And that’s okay. It’s like Icky taking lumps. I’m fine with rookies taking lumps. DB and OL are just going to be rough positions for a rookie. he really won’t get to experience playing DB until we hit Stafford/Brady in a couple weeks. Good QBs paired with good WRs.

I mean….you agree that I said he is way better than Sam but isn’t a very good QB and that’s why he is here? yet have a problem with me saying he is inconsistent and doesn’t elevate those around him? I mean he can elevate those around him when he gets hot. But he isn’t consistent. So big picture he doesn’t do it. Baker Mayfield is a Panther because he has proven to be not very good. If he was very good, he would have had opportunity elsewhere

Browns had one of the best overall rosters in the NFL for a couple years when Baker was in Clev. And it’s still a dang good roster around the QB. Baker is inconsistent. Saw that in Clev and have already seen it here. I mean he is way better than Sam Darnold. But he isn’t a very good QB. That’s why he is here in Carolina.

The Browns and Giants aren’t the same level of opponent. they weren’t debuting rookie QBs. Nor was half their coaching staff out and been displaced for weeks.

Everyone we have brought in with a NFL resume has ended up being exactly who they already proven to be. Teddy was Teddy. Sam was Sam. Now Baker will be Baker. A QB who doesn’t elevate anything around him. That will be good and bad. ….with a horrible OC. Who will be what the NFL said he was too. The Rhule motto to be continuously wishing that people won’t be what they have proven to be

Panthers had good game plans for Sam’s debut. But teams quickly figured it out it was over after that. On top of that, they were all 3 uniquely bad opponents. 2 bad teams debuting rookie QBs and a covid/hurricane team. Which means they weren’t NY/Browns caliber teams even. Way worse. Only win after teams figured out how were hiding Darnold and opponents were comically bad was Atlanta. Where we ran for 200 yards against a horrible run defense. Sam meanwhile threw for like 100 yards and a 50% completion rate.

I think Rhule has to win 2 of the next 3 to stay on board. we have 3 straight home games. We haven’t won at home in over a year. It will get nasty for him if he drops those. It will get bad if either of the first two gets out to hand early.

The one WR Baker has legit chemistry with and knows well has not had a single snap. I still maintain outside of DJ….the rest of the WR corp should be a steady rotation. I don’t think Robbie is good enough to dominate the % of snaps he does. He is too lightweight to be such a permanent fixture. Run blocking, more physical routes, etc would favor others.

and all they did was dig a big ole hole that they now sit in. Matt Rhule, not Joe Brady was the biggest problem. Joe Brady while he wasn’t good was the scapegoat for Matt Rhule to deflect all the blame onto. Matt Rhule continues to be here. And continues to be our biggest problem. And the Rhule offense continues to get worse and worse post Joe Brady. And the trend continues this year of getting worse….despite MUCH better talent and a “real” OC. Matt Rhule is the actual problem. Snow, McAdoo, Brady, etc are all symptoms of the problem. We can’t rid ourselves of Tepper so Rhule is as high as we can go to fix the problem and the one that matters realistically.

We have a half decade of football that shows Sam Darnold is at his worst when he has time. Time gives Sam more time to think and it always goes predictably bad in the end. He doesn’t see and read a field well. His throws are consistently late.

and I see they dropped the nonsensical but we only had 50 something plays so we just couldn’t bologna. Given the rest of the league as no problem presenting opponents with lots of WR options to present various looks and get their guys in the flow. Even with 50 something plays.

Another weekly reminder of why Ben McAdoo is a bad OC that the rest of the league cast aside

Sam historically plays his worst when he has time/protection There is a half decade that backs that.