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Clemson at least taking care of business like a top 10 team should unlike this laundry list of other teams…

I'd take a great coach > great QB prospect I'd take an actual great QB > great coach.

is PJ Walker starting in the actual all black uniforms (the actual GOAT uniforms)? Because we have never lost when we do that. If not, I agree with the 10% ish range of any given Sunday.

we got a lot more folks than Matt Rhule that need to be purged from this org. no one needs to see Sam Darnold play another snap in the NFL.

I don’t know. That swag is kinda what got them to be 17-1 entering that game. Think letting them be what they were that year was the right call. best team doesn’t always win. That Panther team lines up against Denver 10 times and the Panthers win the majority even with the refs finger on the scale IMO.

Ron and Fox most certainly can be criticized. They had pretty notable flaws. I don’t take issue with that. I personally don’t like that brand of coach. Why I want nothing to do with Wilks. but they still were both good NFL coaches. Much easier to do worse than better than that caliber coach. NFL makes that clear.

I didn’t lmao I was on the Cam Newton bandwagon with @panthers55 very early on. Cam Newton wasn’t actually a super popular pick early on around here. He was deemed too risky by the masses early on. It took awhile for Cam Newton pick to catch on around here. I applied the same logic as to why we should of drafted Fields. One positive of not drafting Fields is your boy Rhule likely would still be employed here if we did Luke also wasn’t a super popular pick early on around these parts either.

I mean that is revisionist history and just acknowledging mocks after people knew what Carolina thought of Cam. And a #1 overall pick isn’t just a QB discussion. Especially in a draft without no brainer QB. Which that draft didn’t have. It’s why most had the highest rated player in that draft a DT. Ron gambled on Cam and hit a homerun. Calling it a no brainer that anyone could of made is about on par with your mental gymnastics of claiming Ben McAdoo would be good here or Rhule deserved a 3rd season

It’s not hard. Ron - good NFL coach Fox - good NFL coach Rhule - joke NFL coach that’s based on their peers. Other NFL coaches. You want a great coach. HOF caliber isn’t even something you bother thinking about.

Again, you called it a no brainer pick for Ron. Newton wasn’t viewed like that coming out. Cam Newton was viewed as a risky gamble. so yeah, it’s relevant that folks didn’t view him as the #1 overall guy until they simply knew we were going to make it so. saying QB is always a gamble doesn’t mean Cam and Luck/Trevor were viewed as comparable risks.

Folks weren’t mocking Cam to us either at first. It was a DT as the consensus #1. Cam wasn’t even being mocked into the top 10 at first by most. Once our intentions became known they moved Cam up in mocks because it became common knowledge we were going with the unsafe/high reward route. Cam wasn’t a Luck or Trevor coming out. Calling it obvious it is just hindsight of a gamble that worked out. It was a bold move by Carolina. Cam also had drama. College scandal. Zone read runner. He wasn’t a safe easy pick for the #1 overall pick. That’s revisionist history to remove any credit from Ron could have

Cam Newton wasn’t Andrew Luck. He wasn’t the consensus easy pick or obvious. He was considered a risky gamble. Especially at #1 overall. Players have made just about every good coach the NFL has ever seen. and Fox had more Panther greats than Ron.

Rivera is presently only 5 games under .500 as a NFL coach without Cam Newton as his starting QB. Yeah, Ron is an old school defensive coach. It's not my preferred coaching style in the modern NFL. But Ron was still a good coach. Two different things.

Nah, Cam wouldn’t of been special on a lot of teams. They wouldn’t of ran him like we did. They wouldn’t of brought in the college scheme. GM was a bigger problem than HC IMO. Ron was a good HC. Roster around Cam was the biggest sin.

Ron used Cam exactly how he should of been used. Panthers simply should of added better players around him IMO. That's always been my take. And using Cam how we did was always my condition if we drafted him. Let Cam be special. Ron allowed it. Few coaches would have.

Cam wouldn't have been successful with all 31 other franchises. I doubt Cam would have seen the success he had with the overwhelming majority of them. The Ron and Cam marriage worked. Ron gets some credit there...but people here give him none. Ron is a good coach. He just wasn't a great one. And I said it when he left, it's easier to do worse than Ron. Hard to do better.

Ron had a winning record here. And he still has an overall winning record despite losing in Washington to date. Ron gets too much hate. His window here simply closed. That's coaching.

I’d say a lot of that is talent around the QB. Kennan Allen and Mike Williams are hurt AJ Brown and DeVanta Smith have been healthy

Raiders will win some games down the stretch. they got a the best # 1 WR on the game paired with the best slot WR in the game IMO and a decent RB and QB. Ball will bounce there way a couple times. Broncos, Seahawks, Steelers, Rams, Patriots all remain.

That’s how people justified signing both Double Trouble to big deals though. age is age at RB IMO. You can luck into a freak that defies it but IMO that has little to do with touches. Frank Gore didn’t go forever because of lack of touches. He was just an odd duck and saw that coming in.

Sort of a bogus stat. Burns is in year 4 and there are guys that that had more sacks than him currently through just 3 seasons.

I say yes . Foreman will be 27 next year. And is a bruising runner. It’s a young man’s game. we don’t need to spend a high pick on a committee RB. And you can find legit runners in rounds 3, 4 and 5.

I would just look for a younger version of Foreman. RBs grow on trees. Rather have a young bruiser in the committee than a 27 year old.

Not getting into the actual argument itself….but being in or not in the HOF has nothing to do with a person being shitty or not. there are horrible people in the HOF. there are horrible people in every sports HOF. There are horrible people every niche and breakdown of people you can name.

I'm just trying to decide if I should start Foreman in fantasy. If I do, I'm watching the game. If I don't....I probably will just check the score. There is no way what occurs tonight will be good football.