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think people are using DVOA football outsiders w/ the 32nd claim

There still was a receiver in the area. Which is what makes it PI or not. And that was the NFL explanation despite it bouncing to the player. I mean, you can just keep naming the plays. Because there were so many of them. I think the punt return to set up the game winning field goal was horrific. That area of for the block in back virtually never gets missed...but it was. And that is exactly where he ran to. And then on the final Mahomes run, blatant holding to allow him to escape. Go the Bengals drive prior. Every big time QB gets that late hit in that moment. But not a game w/ that much home cooking. It was a horrifically called game. Can't have that many questionable calls late in a game. All stacking on top of each other. and I'm not a Burrow guy. Not skin in the game. But that was horrible officiating for a game like that. Especially late.

yeah, the Bengals intentional grounding was bogus. I mean, the ball lliterally bounced into the hands of the guy covering Perine.

same head ref last night was the on the crew blasted in the Super Bowl as the Rams got aided on that final drive with that Kupp PI call in the closing minutes. Which had host of NFL WRs claiming it bogus flag you can't throw. Refs can determine outcomes with their bad calls. We have seen that admitted to at least. And when you put the same guys repeatedly on the field and it keeps happening......and you are okay with it. It gets harder to dismiss. and then the league responds that they can't afford to move on from their part time ref crew, can't afford tech, and can't alter rules to make more things reviewable. I still think you should have 2 challenges per game. And anything should be reviewable with them.

you might could make the case the Eagles are the most overrated team to ever reach the Super Bowl. Easiest schedule in the NFL? check. Bad Giants team in round one? check NFCCG? Opposing QB hurt on opening drive. Opponent didn't have QB to attempt a forward pass for the 2nd half.

not if that is Myles Murphy Signed, Clemson fan

It’s just a fact. I looked it up in my huddle fact book. Board deems him the Panther GOAT. He isn’t.

Steve Smith is overrated by the huddle he isn’t the best Panther of all time. Not in terms of actual football player or impact.

Well, again, everything you say can’t happen…..has happened in sports. And man driven corruption is literally everywhere and always where the money is. Again, something well documented. your argument is basically that somehow the NFL alone is immune to all this…..just because. Therefore is fan fiction. The NFL is on top of the world. Well, all the other sports have been too. Baseball corrupt. Boxing corrupt. NBA. College football. Everyone. Well, except the NFL. It’s pure. take something else. College football. All the allegations of paid players. Meh, that’s just rumors. They would all admit it if it was wide spread. It’s not really happening like that. Well, they largely never did admit it. Well, until later. Now they do. Now they frankly will tell the most absurd stories. Which is generally how it goes. The mob didn‘t get into the NBA in 2007. It had been there for decades. One day the NFL will have their moment I assume. Money does tend to keep folks quiet for some time. We have seen that. fan fiction is pretending there is no corruption where there is so much money IMO. Because that never happens. NFL isn’t special. it’s not every game. But yeah, NFL games get messed with. All sports do. Who knows which ones. Part of the fun I guess.

Depends on the teams. Lots of possibilities. Maybe you intentionally put a crew on a game that calls games certain ways that would benefit one over the other. Maybe you speak to the head ref about a point of emphasis in a game that would favor one team over the other that hasn't been stressed prior. Maybe a certain player gets stressed. Protected. Unprotected. That would be the influencing. Then there is the real shady stuff. Like refs being paid by forces outside the actual league office. Which might not be the outcome.....maybe it's just the points and type game to be allowed. I mean, that certainly easy to do to. You could easily encourage a game to be lower scoring. They aren't going to risk ruining it all by influencing outcomes. Baseball still on TV after all their scandals? NBA?

Influence is just that. Influence. Increase the probability for success in one direction. Doesn't guarantee anything.....because you know, there are 22 players on the field playing a game. I said sports. It's documented in sports. Because there are examples of everything you say can't and doesn't happen all over sports. So your argument would have to be the NFL is an outlier and unique from it. Just because. And not just sports really, just unique in life. That the NFL is clean, whereas virtually nothing else is. There is literally an owner in a lawsuit right now for trying to pay his coach to intentionally lose games. Why do you think a NFL owner felt comfortable with that? NFL is and has always been full of sketchy people. You find them where the money is.

what is my theory exactly? Influence. Nothing more. It's not as risky as "rigging" a game would be. and yeah, players have thrown games before in sports. That's documented too. it's not wild and crazy to think sports is just as corrupt as the rest the world. Which is well documented. Rarely in real time though. Selling the modern day NFL as some unique outlier is a tough sell. Which is what you are doing.

So, you think he is the only one? That's your official stance. All major sports has been clean and fair outside of him? Just want to know exactly the stance I am arguing against. So the mob just got involved w/ sports betting in 2007 and just w/ the NBA? lol. All the rest was just a false rumor.

games not influenced. meanwhile, Cam Newton isn't old enough to get that call.

maybe you are right. In the shady corrupt world we live in.....sports is where everything is uniquely on the up and up and free from corrupt activity. Money tends to keep people quiet. And that's what we are talking about. Take that NBA official that finally got busted. And how he called folks out about the damage control they were doing trying to paint him as some rogue outlier. Sports have always been influenced. Too much money involved. Arguing against that overall component is silly IMO. I guess there is a legit argument about who does it (but that's it IMO).

I mean, TV is entertainment. Same for the internet. Where almost nothing is 100% straight or real. It's all entrainment or slanted by design. That's the world we live and have always lived in. Too much money in sports to think there isn't an absurd amount of funny business. Funny business in literally everything. The more money involved the more funny business involved IMO. and all it takes is one man. It's already been admitted one man can influence the outcome of a game. Just naive to think one man doesn't get put in play often. and then you watch the games. No way they are all free from it. It's like listening to our politicians and believing they aren't all full of poo. Man corrupts everything. Definitely the gambling fueled billion-dollar sports industry.

it being influenced definitely doesn't want to make me turn it off. It just heightens things. Overcoming the preferred outcome? Hell, that makes it even more exciting to watch.

it's entertainment. Why watch anything on a TV screen. Or you tube. Or anywhere else. It's just an escape/entertainment. It being influenced simply adds to the ability to entertain. discussing it and calling it out.... doesn't mean it is earth shattering to someone's actual life lol. Again, it's entertainment. And the bullshit frankly adds to it. That's what drama does.

yeah, which is why he had to go. and it's not like that is the lone example of sports being influenced. It's documented in pretty much all sports to some degree already. That it has always existed. And it never killed any sport. They just got more popular. Some great risk. One man can influence a game. That is undeniable fact. Intentionally or unintentionally. That's all it takes. It's naive to think a multi-billion sport doesn't care what happens or have preferences. You think we live in an honest world? I don't think any adult does. You think sports is going to be the outlier where honesty reigns supreme? Knew going in this one was going to be weird IMO. It just so happened the most flag happy official got rewarded with the game. Because that made sense huh. It never made sense. Neither does part time good old boy network of refs. Neither does the lack of tech in 2023 to ensure so much could be gotten right. They don't care about that.

I said sports is influenced. I don't use the word rigged. Influencing doesn't guarantee outcomes. And yeah, sports in general has been influenced for a long time. Not just football. No proof of what? There certainly is proof professional sports has been influenced by actors aiming to alter the outcome. I mean, it is pretty well documented that every season.......millions watch the Super Bowl all over the globe that haven't been watching games this season. And it's not just commercials, especially in 2023 that are drawing them in. The Super Bowl isn't for the hardcore fan. It's an annual event and they get ears and eyeballs at their disposal they normally don't have paying attention. And they want to make money of those. So yeah, they probably give a poo more about my wife than me. Because my intake of sports content is consistent. Hers isn't.

They have 2 weeks of storytelling ahead. That's what they do. and yeah, my wife would love to hear about mama Kelce and seeing her and his split homemade jersey and all that bullshit. That's frankly the only thing she would be interested. Not the game. She heard about Joe Burrow last year. NFL doesn't' give a poo what the hardcore Panther fans preference is. You watch the NFL regardless. You were watching last night. Sports have always been influenced by the powers that be. It's about money. That's why we have the NFL.

SB is all about the casual fan. Not the hardcore fan. Storylines matter. Clicks, views, eyeballs. That's money in today's world. Not just the game. The entire lead up too.

Kelce brothers is a big one. 2 highly entertaining people. That why you seem them doing their podcast and all that. Andy/Philly is a big one. The Bengals was a fine story line last year. Put Burrow on the map. Which the league does want. The underdog story lead by the "cool kid". But they just milked that last year. They just did it. It's not the same story anymore. It doesn't have as much juice putting Burrow/Bengals right back. Burrow to some degree is manufactured anyway in terms of his coolness. Super Bowl isn't just about the game. It's about milking the storyline and making money off it all along the way. yeah, I think they get more eyeballs in interest switching it up to KC this year. Not rigged. Influenced. See that over and over and over again in the sport. Sports have always been influenced. Fairness rarely exists in the world.

story lines. eyeballs. Ultimately money. more for the machine to work with surrounding the game if it is KC over the Bengals.

Rigged is the wrong word IMO. The refs were influence outcomes. Not guarantee them.