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4 seasons in Peppers was ROY, Pro Bowler, All Pro. 4th for DPOY. He also wasn't a pass rush specialist. He was an everything specialist. Forced fumbles, passes defended, blocked kicks, you name it. Basically anything you can do on a football field - advantage Peppers. Burns ain't bringing that package to the table. It isn't close. Don't be disrespectful to what will be our first 1st ballot HOFer. The only one we have drafted.

I don't think it is cynical to say he isn't a Julius Peppers freak DE. He isn't. Jon Beason was a damn good LB. He wasn't on the same planet as Luke Kuechly. DJ Moore is a great WR. He isn't in the conversation with an 89.

again, we don't know that. You can't predict when a player peaks out. But all the great Panther DEs to date, reached their playing peaks about year 4/5. They didn't get more productive after that. That could be Burns. It could not. Burns isn't a freak DE. Peppers was a freak DE. And there is big difference between the two. You can pay Burns a lot of money. It won't make him a Peppers caliber freak though.

We don't know that. This could be his prime. This could be his peak. I'd argue every Panther great DE entered their prime about year 4/5. Some just maintained longer. Like Peppers. Peppers. Rucker. Big Money.

I don't know. Good prospects go to horrific teams and people are closing the doors on them after 1 year and some change. That class isn't close to be in a position to judge IMO. Some are already on their 2nd offense through no fault of their own. Trevor Lawarence's team has held the lead in every game in the 4th quarter but 1 this season. He is young. Makes young QB mistakes. It's glossed over how competitive they have suddenly emerged. and Fields is showing signs of growth too. Especially as they slowly start doing things with him on offense, they should of been doing day 1. They didn't walk into situations like Mahomes or Allen did. Herbert too.

we didn't look like a top 10 unit on Sunday in Atlanta. Beating the Bucs is our signature moment. But given they have lost 5 of their last 6? It isn't as impressive of a moment as we would have thought coming in to the season. The Bucs and Rams also have no ability to run the football. Atlanta did and the D couldn't stop anything they did as a byproduct of that. Not sure I would say we are a top 10 unit

come on bro, you're not new here. the appropriate time to change your stance is when enough time is gone by that most forget what your old position was.

Chubb and 5th FOR 1st, future 4th, Chase Edmonds. basically, one first round pick

yeah, that brings up the issues we have with a mixed match front office. We need a new HC and a new GM. I think they should be paired. Everyone should be working on the same thing with the goals. You want the same timeline on everyone.

Yep. A first round in 2025 is worth a first round pick in 2025. Same for a 2024. It's a first round pick and it carries that value in 2024. It's worth less to someone else today....because most are trying to win now or in the immediate future. So yeah, it's not worth much to the Rams. Right now is their moment. That's not us. Future picks in all honesty shouldn't hold the same value on all teams. Because they aren't all in the same place. We should be focused on building something new. And I don't care to start off the next new HC era by drastically overpaying a one dimensional DE as the cornerstone of a defense. Especially when the pass rushing specialist isn't actually a monster at the one thing he is noted for.

I mean 89 disappeared for an entire season in 2010. DJ Moore isn't Megatron or Randy Moss. He isn't a nightmare in human form. There aren't 32 better WRs in the NFL. Dude is a legit stud. But yeah, he isn't DeVante Adams. That's not the bar for a #1. That's the ceiling. And there are probably only about 5 or so of those in the league at any point in time.

I mean, that some cherry picking going on. So DJ Moore has spent an entire career in a bad position......and then you cherry pick out 8 games and claim Tyreek Hill is an equivalent? Hill has Waddle lined up across from him. A matchup nightmare and one of the few dudes who can rival Hill's speed. And has a hotshot OC turned HC running the show. He still isn't in a DJ Moore position. Not even 8 games worth.

I mean, the Rams have a recent SB victory because as a franchise they opted to go all in on this window in time to try to win. We are the polar opposite. Draft picks IMO matter more to us than them in the present and near future. Burns is at the end of his rookie deal. He isn't the type DE I want to give a massive contract to. So that's a big part of why I do it. I don't think he is good enough or diverse enough for a massive DE deal. Burns was the 2nd best pass rusher on the team last year ...to a rental. And pass rushing is really all Burns really is bringing. He is good at it. But it not game changing ability.

I’ll give you Nuk as a legit example. But there aren’t many examples.

I’m not looking at in from our GMs perspective. No doubt future picks have less value to him. To teams in general. He needs to win. Most teams do. He has been part of a lot of slop of late. It all gets weird when you have a bunch of random parts and no real vision on the future and path. I would take the trade. I also want a new HC and a new GM that want to build something from the ground up. and Burns is not the type DE I would want to sign to a big deal anyway. So why keep him. Because then you have to dump a bunch of money into a guy thats just a pass rusher…..and he might not fit the next D scheme anyway.

Carolina claiming Burns is a top 10 pass rusher? 2018 - 40th in sacks 2019- 14th in sacks 2021 - 20th in sacks 2022- 17th in sacks I'm not good at math. But that doesn't seem to add up. And he is pretty much exclusively a pass rusher. One that has never had double digits. 2 firsts is a steal for a pretty good pass rusher that gets run on. Pure pass rushers aren't that hard to find. Complete DEs are hard to find. Which is what the Rams are willing to pay the price of. Which isn't Burns.

I mean, I'm talking about a real rebuild. One we were supposed to do when the Cam era ended and we hired Matt Rhule. but yeah, it's a QB league. It's an offensive league. That's where it should start IMO. Draft a QB. Build your teams around that. And it takes awhile. Because it also should revolve around who you have as QB. The O, the coaches, the scheme, the talent....it should be revolve around that QB. Rhule's model was basically to build a team and then plug in a QB that didn't work out elsewhere. I'm not a fan of continuing down that path. You can claim the Rams just did it. Bucs. I think it leads to a shorter window of potential success.

Burns is by default the best players because we don't have a dominant defensive player though. Make a list of great defensive players Carolina has had. Where is Burns.

We were able to rent a better pass rusher last season. I want a legit rebuild. And that starts on offense. It's an offensive league. Get a QB. Get him crazy weapons. Once you have that, you can put together a defense good enough to contend IMO. Because it doesn't have to be a great D if you have a great O.

Steve Smith had 500 yards and 2 TDs when paired with Jimmy Clausen. He wasn't great in a bad scenario. Jake/Moose and then a prime Cam is a much better spot than what DJ has lived in. Alshon Jefferies? He has fewer 1000 yard seasons in his career than DJ Moore. Kupp to date has less 1000 yard seasons than Moore. Yeah, he went off last year with a bonkers season on an all in WIN now team. That's not an example of a bad scenario. The Rams have been the most all in to win team in the NFL of late. With a great offensive HC. Tyreek Hill has been playing for Andy Reid and has had Mahomes as a QB. That isn't a bad scenario. Larry Fitzgerald game into the league played and developed with Bolden across from him and then got paired with a HOF QB. I mean, he definitely did perform at a high level later in bad spots. I'll give you that. But given how his career started, it's not the best example to give to a WR who was drafted and has spent his entire career in a very bad spot.

I mean you take that deal. You say goodbye to Burns. is Burns talented? Yes. But to date he has been an incomplete DE. A pass rush specialist that has never hit double digit sacks. Especially when your win horizon is down the road and have to draft a QB to build up.

great WRs aren't great WRs in bad scenarios. I know DJ Moore has been a good WR in a very bad scenario to date.

DJ Moore has 3 straight 1100+ seasons coming into this season. With no QB play and #3s lined up across from him in 2 roles. In what world have the lesser guys out performed him? CMC doesn't compare to DJ. Lot of CMCs passes are just checkdowns and an extension of the run game. And at his best, CMC is a sick slot WR. And slot guys just don't compare to 1s and 2s on the outside. I'd argue Hunter Renfrow is the best slot WR in the game right now and you can't talk about him in the same breath as outside WRs. I get DJ being a little annoying with his lack of emotion showing. But we saw that with Peppers. Board roasted Peppers.....as he effortlessly put in a HOF lock career. Not saying DJ is putting in that caliber of career....but he is seeing the same personality outlash.

WRs starting opposite DJ Moore 2018 Funchess 2019 Samuel 2020 Robbie 2021 Robbie 2022 Robbie/TMJ Everyone listed is ideally a #3 WR. Not a legit #2. Plus, no receiving TE on the field. I mean, Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Brown. Name a hot young WR and you can find studs that have lined up across from them. That hasn't been the case with DJ Moore. And on top on top of that he has had trash QB play too. DJ Moore is a stud. He would be doing cartoon stuff if he played elsewhere.

DJ Moore has spent his entire career in Carolina with essentially a #3 WR lined up opposite of him.