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Nah. That ain’t true. Because Rhule would still be over the O. we had CMC and Rhule wouldn’t even get the run going like Wilks is doing with average joes at RB. Wilks makes happen what Rhule bullshitted about in terms of being a running team.

Sam Darnold is a garbage. Dishonest is taking a random game where we run for 300+ yards and pretending the worst QB in the NFL over the last half decade might not be bad.

We ran for 320 yards on Saturday. That’s like the ideal formula for a backup caliber QB not to fug it up. Opponent plays the run essentially every snap. if the run isn’t there. Sam and this O can’t do anything. See the week prior against a meh Steelers team.

we weren't winning. we weren't winning at home. hadn't been winning before that. If the Carolina Panthers want great fans...their work is part of the equation. That needs to be upped.

So yeah, we fired our HC in season....and traded away our best player. it makes sense that people sold their tickets. And it makes sense that a fanbase (of one of the most successful franchises in NFL history) that has been built for generations.....snatches them up. We don't have a fanbase problem in Carolina. That's the point. We are a young franchise that has been very inconsistent. Consistently inconsistent. The Carolina Panthers got work to put in if they want their stadium to look different.

Steelers have been around for 90 years and have the most Super Bowl wins in NFL history.

Yep, most of those tickets were sold long ago. Sold when folks realized Tepper was going to waste a season bringing Rhule back. Another round when Rhule was fired. Another round when CMC was traded away.

for one of the 3 most recent expansion teams that has never pulled off back to back winning seasons.....the Carolina Panthers have had some pretty could and consistent support from the community/fan base.

I mean, we fired our HC and traded away CMC. Can't blame anyone for selling their tickets after that. Which they did.

I think Tepper will overcorrect the other way after having such egg on his face coming of Matt Rhule. I expect we hire someone who has been a former NFL HC.

Shanahan, McVay and even the Mike McDaniels types are great because of their playcalling, scheme, play design. They all are X and O offensive minds. They are successful because they put players in position to have success and maximize their talent. They are the polar opposite of the Ron Rivera mold. And the difference in those coaches isn’t about being able to lead a group of men. Ron can get guys bought in and motivated. He just can’t maximize their talent.

I’d say the Ravens are a LOT different than us. Their offense runs through a dynamic playmaker at QB. Which is a drastically different run to defend than running Hubbard/Foreman at folks. What you are defending and the stress on the opposing defense is nothing alike. It’s like prime Cam. That’s not a comp O to what we are. Cam and Lamar alter every down. Give me Lamar all day. Easy. We aren’t comparable. And we only have won games against teams in the bottom half of the league in run defense. The Panthers rush attack has been non-existent vs teams in the top half of the league in rush defense without CMC. 64 and 36 yards. And that is with QBs and WRs adding to the total. Ravens run on everyone. They probably are averaging over 150+ vs the top half in rush defense.

Do you watch the games? We have averaged 140 passing yards in the games we have won. Heck, we have broken 200 yards just once since Wilks took over. And that was because of huge passing yards in the last half of the 4th quarter. That's not actually the formula for success in the NFL. So yeah, a team that traded away their best offensive player, fired their HC, and has horrible offense? It's the ideal time to burn it down and build something legit.

you said we were finally building a winning culture. I merely pointed out we haven't won as a franchise in a long time. Haven't won this year. And Wilks doesn't even have a winning record in his portion of the schedule. Matt Rhule put the bar on the floor. Which is helping propel the Wilks push. Wilks likely will hover around a .500 to close to interim job playing very basic football vs bad teams. I maintain my same position since the start of the year. I don't want a defensive coach whose tendency is to play football from prior eras.

I think McDermott lucked into Cam Newton Vol 2. McD falls into the DC camp of HCs. I'd rather have McVay, Shanahan, Reid, type coach instead of a McD. Because they can win with Jimmy G or Alex Smith or Goff.

lol. You are the one who declared it a winning culture. I simply asked what you are talking about. Wilks is .500 against a slate of trash teams minus the Ravens. I said I want an offensive minded HC and to build something new form the ground up. And yeah, we are literally in the window where you would tear things down and start over. That's why we traded away CMC. That's why we fired our HC. There is nothing to save about our offense. We are just running at people with very average RBs. That's it.

We are running the ball and playing defense against meh teams. Yeah, that works. And yeah, Matt Rhule couldn't figure out the most basic stuff. That's nothing special. Matt Rhule being so bad is going to lead to another mistake easily foreseen mistake. Hiring a defensive coach just running and playing defense against a bad schedule. and the reason I want an offensive HC is because they are the constant. You have to hope Wilks can find a OC. And if the OC is actually really good? Well, he would go be a HC somewhere else.

building a winning culture? We haven't had a winning record since 2017. Tear it down? Tear what down?

Yeah, Wilks is what he is. Just like Ron was. Just like Fox was. Whatever happens to finish out this year won't alter who Steve Wilks is as a football coach. Wilks has been around for a long time. Our division is complete dog poo. So who knows what happens. Some bad team will make the playoffs. I want to build something new from the ground up and I want it to be offensive. Yes, I want to try something new in Carolina. Wilks is a continuation of Ron, Fox, Capers. Same formula. Should of just kept Ron at this stage. Avoided the Rhule era and just keep doing Ron things. I've been consistent on this since Rhule was here. I want an offensive minded guy. And Wilks is getting a double bounce coming off Rhule and the division being a joke. I mean, our team in reality has no business being in the mix of a division. We are simply because our division is horrific.

every play goes through the HC's ear. And his job is literally to manage the game. That's not just to call a time out and throw a red flag. But to manage and direct what are choosing to do on offense and defense. the bolded is exactly what I am faulting him for. And yeah, he knows the calls. That's what the headset is for. He isn't surprised when the ball is snapped like we are. Look, I can't stand McAdoo and I like Wilks. But I'm done w/ these clones we have had as HC in Carolina. I want something new and I have said the same since before this season started when I wanted Rhule gone. The division being ass this year isn't going to make me want Wilks ball. And if we wanted that type of HC we should of just kept CMC.

I mean, all 3 are defensive guys. Conservative at their core. All 3 are player coaches too that deal well with a NFL locker room. and yeah, being burned by Rhule is making people give Wilks a huge bump. We should acknowledge that. It would be like going from a horrific QB to an okay QB. Then acting like you got the QB situation solved. But you still just got an okay QB at the end of the day. yeah, Wilks went out of his comfort zone on the 4 yard line. But that wasn't being aggressive. That was being stupid. Win skews that. He could of been aggressive and not been dumb. Which is what you could argue would have been fine. He allowed McAdoo to be as dumb as dumb can be. In the present day NFL, I would love to have Ron, Fox or Wilks as my DC. Not as my HC. Game is too offensive and none of them at their core fit IMO. I want real change in Carolina. I want modern day offense and you aren't going to get that with an old defensive NFL guy. And yes, Wilks is a significant upgrade of Rhule. But doesn't make me want that.

Wilks IMO also is getting a bump because of how horrific Matt Rhule was. Wilks is competent to lead a team. And that’s a stark contrast to Rhule.

I still contend they are the same guy. You can also use John Fox. End of the day all 3 are what they are. and what Wilks allowed to occur on the 4 yard is completely bonkers. Wins end up making people overlook horrific stuff like that. I think Wilks is great with the players. But stuff like that, shows he isn't a good game manager of a football team IMO. Other examples too. We probably should of beat the Rams. But Wilks flat out went bonkers with his game management that day. So crazy that it was realistic to ask if the goal was to lose. I like Wilks the same way I liked Ron and Fox. I think they are decent coaches that know how to deal with adults. But it's 2022. I want an offensive HC.

I think Wilks is a fine football coach. But I still contend he is Ron Rivera all over again. I just don't think he can lead a present day NFL team to really contend in this offensive era. To naturally risk adverse. And when he does "mix it up"......it stuff like we saw on Sunday with 4 pass plays from the 4. That's not good offensive game management.

They clearly attempted to call it a season once Rhule was fired. In terms of caring about winning. Can't really debate that. They traded freaking CMC. what was beyond their control was how horrific the NFCS is and other teams on the schedule.