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It's not the right answer I don't think because of the trade but Eli IMO should qualify. He was the #1 overall pick and won it for the Giants.

no guarantee the 2024 class will actually be loaded though. a lot can change in a season. The locks to be contending for a Heisman sometimes don't have the season so many think are givens.

So....again, what do you call a team with a losing record that played a very easy schedule? And they were really trash at end of the season. 2nd half of the season after the bye week any good team beat Tampa by double digits. And bad teams like the Browns, Falcons, etc. could even take them. Which is the window we are discussing. You skipped over all that. What's your issue with calling Tampa what it was in the context of the game being discussed? Trash.

I think there are 2 QBs this draft worth trying to get. Every draft is different. and if you don't have a QB and haven't' had a QB for a long time.....you have to start trying to get them. I fully support Carolina trying to get one. You can't play the wait for one to fall to you always. It rarely happens. And like Fields or not. Carolina already missed that. It happened for us. It doesn't happen often.

there isn't much difference between a 1 and 10 pick. It's just team preference at the top who goes at the very top. Cam was the #1 overall. If we hadn't occupied the spot he likely doesn't go #1 overall. He wasn't viewed as a consensus #1.

Yes, Tampa Bay was NOT a good TEAM in 2022. Hence the losing record they had despite having a very easy schedule. supporting or creating a narrative? Didn't you follow Sam Darnold here from NY? The guy still rocking the Sam drawing in his avatar?

I’ve literally been arguing against the claim he was one of the best QBs in the NFL last year down the stretch…. and the notion that he was actually good in 2022. He wasn’t. Also I have argued with the notion Sam’s 6 game stretch should or can be all that is discussed when talking about if he should occupy a roster spot going forward. It can’t be. You have taken issue with those arguments, correct? Past is relevant when talking the future though. Sam’s prior play. All of it. As well as the stench of the horrific Rhule era lingering still. Cam could sniff out the stink both times we brought him to Carolina. We need new folks in the most important room IMO. Need the right mentality and people. Especially from the vet spot in the QB room.

I might be a Rhule PTSD survivor. Y’all straight tripping on LSD with this Darnold Eather stuff though. I was right on Rhule after 2021. It was super easy to be right on Rhule after 2021. Sam is a similar type layup. But here you are arguing we witnessed greatness.

I don't think he lost that game for us. But that doesn't mean anything. Whatever someone's take is on that one game doesn't change anything. He was decent that game. Which can be said about 2018 or 19 or 20 or 21 Sam. Those games have always existed. Again, the history of Sam is pretty consistent. But he didn't play great. And one okay game with a lot of good and bad certainly isn't a case he was one of the best QBs in the NFL down the stretch.

folks claiming he was one of the best in the NFL last year. Yall basically up in here trying to pull off some flat earth theory. Darnold Earthers.

I see....you just flat out trolling. This is Matt Rhule level trolling after his 2021 season. During the last 6 games of the season.....Sam was bottom of the league in yards per game. Bottom of the league in completion %. He put the ball on the ground more than any QB in the league during that span by far. but yeah, he had a nice TD/INT ratio.....where he wasn't even throwing a TD per game. That's what you are claiming makes him one of the best QBs in the game in that stretch? Literally all Sam did was not throw absurd INTS. That's it. Talk about a joke bar. One of the best in the league?! There is no statistical argument to even come close to that. This Sam Darnold gaslighting is something else.

would also be nice to see Corral and anyone else we draft get real work in camp that was another big issue with having all these bad and washed up QBs on the roster last year. They dominated all the camp work.

the narrative on Sam is the one HE created in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 and still in 2022. and 2022 Sam, the new and improved Sam.....still had all his old habits on full display. Horrible completion %, an incredible knack for the ball being put on the ground, etc. It's basically why you tell kids to learn history. So you don't have things continue to repeat. We saw this in early 2021. Folks were claiming early Sam was a changed man despite it being evident early on all his bad habits were still there. He was the same guy. It just hadn't burned us yet. But it eventually did. Spectacularly so.

Extrapolate to 17 games. Sam would be about 32nd in completion %. Sam would lead the NFL in fumbles by a QB by a FAR margin. He was top 5 barely playing. That's Sam. That's been Sam his entire life dating back to college. Sam would be about 26th-ish in yards. but yeah, I guess for the first time he would have a good TD/INT ratio. That's not a middle of the pack QB though. Sam Darnold is not a good QB. Even cherry picking and doing a Madden like hypothetical season.

your big massive improvement of 2022…..still isn’t good. That’s the point. And that’s a cherry picked “high”. Somehow you think his career should all be dismissed in this conversation of what he has proven to be. what’s your best game? Bucs? A bad Bucs team. We lost. He had 3 turnovers. Put another on the ground. He had INTs dropped. And DJ bailed him out of poorly thrown balls that game. The bar is so incredibly low for Sam. Made worse by the fact we have seen nothing but bad QB for years and years now.

His best ball by far (4 credited wins in 2022 vs bad opponents)….is still below average QB play statistically. That’s what you hang your hat on. Sam Darnold factually has been a bad QB. You offer no actual counter argument rooted in anything. He is not a good QB. Both in NY and Carolina, overall he has had a poor career. And played poorly by NFL standards. Facts and stats back that. And he had been given more opportunity at this point than anyone else gets. Including other highly drafted guys. in fact, he factually has been statistically worse in Carolina than in NY. Worse completion %, worse record, worse TD/INT ratio, QB rating, passing yards per game. And on and on. Those are the facts.

gets really weird IMO with heavy zone read QBs. Because the line isn't actually run blocking like on a traditional run play.

We have 5 years of him starting in the NFL. Sam Darnold is officially terrible by the metrics we discuss starting QBs by in the NFL. Refuted by facts? He was credited with 4 wins in which people are using those 4 as the reason he should return. He averaged 144 passing yards in those 4 starts.....while we ran for a mind bogging average of 225 rushing yards per game. Jimmy Clausen could of found some wins to put by his name in that window. Sam wasn't playing good. He wasn't even playing average by NFL statistics. Wilks just wasn't letting him cost the team a chance. And that was only possible because our opponents were bad. Why folks are stanning for Matt Rhule's disaster QBs as we try to enter a new era is mindboggling.

Being paired w/ the #7 vs #29 ranked D is pretty significant. Hell, that alone would put Sam in a much better position. Because it requires a significantly different load and ask of an offense. And the Jets were the #7 ranked D despite being paired w/ the 32nd ranked offense. Which means in reality, they were even better than they statistically were ranked given the extreme handicap against them. and I have long argued Sam Darnold is an imploder. He makes the cast around him worse. Not better. QBs can impact the talent around them in both directions. LeVeon Bell, Thomas, etc. Those were legit talents. Bears didn't have those types. Sam Darnold simply implodes plays because he can't read a field or allow plays to properly function. Simms did a good video on how Sam Darnold implodes plays from fucntioning. A good play call, is something Sam alone would make look bad. Because he couldn't see the field and operate in time of windows. Everyone suffers and looks bad. Jets made moves for Sam Darnold in year 2. It just didn't work. And the D was good. That wasn't where Fields found himself in year 2.

saying Sam Darnold should stay is just this season's version of Matt Rhule deserves another chance after 2021.

Fields won't be the next Sam. Fields won't continue to get opportunities like Sam. Sam is sort of an anomaly. also, Sam Darnold was put into a much better position to find success year 2 than Justin Fields. So, that part doesn't sound familiar. Jets tanked their roster after Sam was so horrific in year 2 despite being put in a spot not to be so bad at quarterbacking. Because the load and ask wasn't going to be that massive. That wasn't the case for Fields. One man show with no defense. Bears have a long way to get to what the Jets had around Sam Darnold in his 2nd year. Jets had a top 10 D. #7 vs #29 for the Bears. That's a talented QBs real best friend. Also do it all RB in Bell. Been around the league and diverse/solid but not spectacular WRs. Jets tanked the roster after that year. Sam Darnold was already clearly fools gold. And they secured a top pick to replace him.

highly paid NFL folks seem to struggle with the most basic stuff sometimes though. Especially certain orgs. We have seen that here. It's not a given Chicago will be smart.

in the landscape of the modern NFL, if you don't have a QB.....you don't actually matter. Which IMO means you can't look at the QB hit rate in a vacuum. It means you simply have to buy the lotto ticket and keep scratching until one hits. not sure why it matters if someone traded up or not. Just matters where the NFL starters are found. Which is the first round overall. That's where you have to take your swings.

Biggest issues for Fields seems to be the biggest issue Trevor had early on IMO. Both went to horrible spots and looked bad. Jacksonville drastically upgraded around Trevor in coaching and talent. Bears got a lot of issues around Fields and he has way too much on his shoulders for such a young player. Talent is there in Fields. That was evident his rookie year. Evident last year. You want growth and consistency? It's about more than Fields IMO.

He also added 132 rushing yards on the ground. So when he sucks as a passer, he compensates in other ways. Justin Fields has shown legit elite and special ability. Largely as a runner. But there is something special about him. And only 2 years under his belt. And the team last year was prepped to be a Andy Dalton O. The one year they went in with Fields as the starter, he did near historic stuff. Sam has a half decade in the league and has been given legit opportunity. And there is nothing special about him that has ever popped in those 5 years. These two things are not the same. There is a legit argument to continue the Fields experiment and buy into him developing. There isn't for Sam.