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I mean, Cam's weapons were just flat out better when he was young and developing. Which for is the key for a young QB IMO. You got to give him weapons early. Especially his first 3 seasons as a pro Cam had a good cast. I'd rather give a young QB great weapons early and then adjust later. Not start weak and slowly add. Think they develop better when life is good early.

Signficantly better than anything Cam had? Cam's rookie receiving option were better than what we have now. 89, Olsen, Shockey, Lafell, LEGATRON!!!!!, 2 pro bowl RBs? There is a reason 89 broke the rookie passing record. He had basically an ideal group around him.

Levis got too much bro swag to him. Think his personality works against him.

He admitted a mistake only after waiting even longer than she should have. Mistake was more than evident after the 2022 season. And he still went on and completely and pointlessly wasted the 2023 season. it's like giving Jimmy Clausen one more year in 2011 to be the starter....arguing that 2010 wasn't enough to really be sure. To date Tepper hasn't been a good owner. We have been an unstable and losing org. That's the facts and that's how you judge him. Maybe he will turn into one.

Alright, stop.

Fug that mentality. We need to grow Bryce with the best weapons we can get him. We got an assemble of guys who aren’t likely to be long term fixtures and/or just solid. It’s an offensive league. Burrow, Mahomes, etc grew with the best 1-2 weapons arguably in the NFL. Weapons matter. And look at a Trevor or Tua last year. Change the weapons and it changes the QB. And they still not giving Trevor what he needs to really grow and go. but yeah, I’ve felt they would go D. They should snag a speedster WR or equip us to go heavy 2 TE.

Super talented. High character. Smart. regardless of who you wanted, it should be super easy to pull for Young and be excited

Captain Munnerlyn. 7th Round. Became one of the top nickel corners in all the NFL. That's extreme value. Panthers just ended up mismanaging him by putting him outside because they had no one else that could play.

You could argue a fairly or decently called Super Bowl would have resulted in a W. Denver got a lot to get Peyton the ride off into the sunset.

Doesn’t work like that though. Rhule couldn’t even manage Teddy Bridgewater’s personality. Cam wouldn’t have even been drafted by Rhule. He probably trades the pick and brings in some Vinny T type. Vinny T type that would follow his bullshit BRAND. Don’t forget Cam was roasting all the bullhshit he saw day 1 that existed in Carolina. Also, there is no way Matt Rhule wasn’t tossing folks under the bus hard as Cam struggled in year 2. Namely Cam. Matt Rhule was a bad coach. Our worst. But I got no further interest in discussing something that isn’t needed.

Ron and Fox basically the same dude. And it’s not a debate about Ron being good or not. Neither belong in this era. Good coaches though. Game just passing them by. it’s a simple one of him clearly being better than Matt Rhule Matt Rhule is the worst coach in our history. There is no argument that he isn’t. And if you want to argue Ron is worse than that is just Ron hate so comical that it causes nonsensical things to be proclaimed

I mean, how many can you say Fox, Capers, Seifert or Rhule did. and for all the poo Ron gets on Cam….I don’t think most would have allowed Cam to be special. Ron did. It’s was a double edged sword that allowed us to see greatness. Ron doesn’t get credit for all the risks he did take that lead to Cam being Cam. all of our coaches had some great players. Matt Rhule was clearly the worst coach though. Not just game day either. Universally. I’d argue Fox probably had the most talented rosters overall.

Win % Ron -.546 Fox -.507 Capers - .469 Seifert - .333 Rhule - .289

Star was dominant. He just didn't play a sexy role. Panthers lived in the top 10 vs the run during the Star era. Often top 5. We haven't been there since he left. Super underrated IMO. We went with the sexy sack guy in Short come pay time. Star was always the better of the two IMO.

Star and DJ Moore were great picks too. The Panthers have tons of flaws. But the Panthers in the first round vs their peers have been way better than average. Even amongst those that generally have good draft position.

Yeah, zero chance Tepper, Frank, Evero, Brown, Caldwell, McCown, all agree on what to do at #1. Same will be applied to every pick once the madness starts of the draft too. But the narrative like all teams will be they all agree and got exactly the dude they were hoping to get at random pick spot # whatever. I would assume Frank and Tepper got the most sway with their preference followed by Fitt. I think who has the most sway depends year to year. I would assume an experienced first year coach has a lot of sway on the direction we go with the first pick. I think Fitt had more sway than the HC last draft. Just because Rhule was on the hotseat.

We don't know who thinks what. Every year the rumors say there are differing opinions in house. We never will know until years later who was in what camps. And you largely never know that unless things go really bad.

I'll be happy with Young or Stroud. Don't care at this point. I'll be unhappy with anything else at #1.

Serious question, if our base is going to be a 3-4 defensively....what does our starting front 7 look like today. I want our second round pick to be a WR/TE but my betting money is on D

We did the build a droid one. Make sure to do an online reservation in advance for the lightsaber.

last time I went to Disney (think it was 2022) it definitely felt much different than just a year prior. It was right when the genie got unrolled. Genie sucks. You feel obligated to get it. But that doesn't do diddly. It doesn't even work on the "good" rides. You got to pay essentially another version of an individualized fast pass for them on top of the genie "fast pass".

probably because a reporter asked him directly about his current situation w/ a new owner coming in to a franchise. Which doesn't happen that often. Because ownership doesn't change hardly. Ron in a pretty unique spot of having 2 new owners coming in.

Frank and Bryce with the stagged photo op dap up. Frank gave it away looking for the que they were filming it. Tin foil hat now on: Dissed CJ - no dap Fake/staged dap up w/ Young We drafting a RB guys #1. When is the last time we didn't have a first rounder on the roster. The cycle is repeating!!!!!!

Daniel said he didn't know what we were doing. He puts Young first in his mock because he thinks he is the best player. I guess that TD was just alluding to the fact he talked before him.