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hard to guess. Every year is different and just because one team is really stupid doesn't mean it continues a trend. Draft chart was thrown out the window I believe with Trey Lance. That's like saying every team can get 2nd, 4th and 6th for whenever they develop and produce the worst QB in the NFL just because the Panthers did it.

why did Cam set records as a rookie? Well, he was unique. Different. NFL didn't know what to do with that. but he had multiple Pro Bowl offensive lineman, 2 stud RBs, 2 stud TEs, and a HOF WR. Which allowed him to shine year 1. Cam wouldn't of set the league on fire in a bad situation. He would have just been sacked a lot and thrown a lot of picks most likely.

Trevor couldn't elevate diddly squat with a bad scheme, weak coaching and zero talent. He was called a bust. Horrible. Change the coach, scheme and talent and suddenly they go IMMEDIATELY from worst team in the NFL to winning a playoff game. That's no Trevor. That's everything around him.

in Fields first true year as the starter he did near historic stuff on the ground....and managed a better comp %, TD %, INT % than virtually every season Cam Newton played in Carolina. With no talent. The problem isn't Fields. You put young QBs in horrific spots and you aren't going to win and they are going to look bad often. Especially when asked to be everything. I think the Fields criticism remains way over the top. He isn't what they have gotten wrong. 2 years in and they haven't done diddly for him. Take a young Cam and a young Fields. Cam was in a fantastic spot early on vs Fields. A dream scenario in reality if you compare a 2011 vs a 2022.

Is this draft the one to take a shot in? That’s the thing. You never really know. If you look at recent history or all time? The GOATs and great QBs are rarely no brainers. that’s why you just have to play the lotto IMO. Only way to win. Unless you want to go the route of signing an established good QB late in his career IMO. Which limits your window. So instead of being able to compete for 10 years it shrinks to a couple generally. Maybe like 2-3. it’s a QB driven league. and it continues to lean that way more and more IMO.

and scheme/predictability. If JJ Watt knows what the play is too often....he can get in the passing lane and time it. You can be Yao Ming at QB.

I mean Bama has the nearest thing to an NFL OL that exists in college football. Was never an issue. It’s not like we haven’t seen 6ft QBs before. Either you can play or you can’t. batted balls to me at the highest levels IMO is more about O scheme I mean, giant QBs have struggled with it at times. Big Ben late, Cam in New England, etc.

well, I haven't heard an argument that makes sense to take on a pricey win now QB and then spend a top 10 pick on a QB. Who has done that? because you aren't committing to anything really. That's no man's land. you sign Carr and you try to win now or you spend a top 10 pick on a QB and try to get him ready ASAP. Those make sense.

I think it does. You sign Carr, then you need to use those resources on aiding him. Not drafting a QB. Because while a low end version of it....he is a plug in and try to win QB. I don't get the Carr and draft a talented rookie QB narrative working together. Breathing room to get the rookie pick right? We have been waiting since Cam got hurt. This franchise has had nothing but time and room. There is no perfect storm you can keep waiting on.

yeah, but that isn't a likely position Carolina would take. You get Carr and you are committing to making this the Carr Panthers. Therefore that #9 isn't a QB. You are tryin to win with Carr, not build around a top QB prospect. The resources would be used to aid Carr's team.

Carr = Cousins What's the point big picture of going down that road.

Sam's a free agent. We don't have to give up our #9 pick

yeah, I actually don't even think of USC anymore. They have disappointed transitioning for so long and been so well rounded about it. At least the top prospects. St. Brown isn't enough to change it.

I mean, yeah, ideally, I agree on the OSU part. But for a realistic example that just happened to play out to use. I generally don't like OSU or Bama because the overly talented rosters skew way too much. 2 best rosters year in and year out.

Manning, Luck, Trevor. Outside of them, only hindsight IMO would make you feel could about giving up the farm for anyone though. I also frankly don't give a poo about being 9-8 and making the playoffs and being done. Either you find a special QB or you don't matter. That's where I am at. That's what I think has to be your priority. It's why we should of drafted Fields when he fell and frankly keep drafting QBs high when they fall until one develops. Let's say you had Fields and then Stroud fell. Cool. That wouldn't be bad. Keep adding you talent at QB until you got someone special. That should be the approach IMO instead of Teddy, Sam, Baker, Carr.

I too have agreed the price for the top spots might simply be too high. Largely because of so many QB needy teams ahead of us too. It's not a good spot for us. It certainly will be too high of a price for the masses here. It would cost more than Lance most likely for us. Folks ahead of us will ensure that IMO.

I know we have virtually no talent in our QB room. Only chance to really win in the NFL is to get talent there. So again, in the end, it doesn't matter what their order is. We have to start prioritizing adding talent. Stroud is just my guy in this lot. and if this front office is going to holdoff for some dream scenario before they add legitimately high talented QB prospects? I won't be a fan of them. Because if my ideal QB is a Trevor Lawarence? Which it frankly is? I'd wait forever most likely and then be gone. and if Stroud was there at 9 and we passed on him? Like you suggest he might be. Because we had some recycled vet another team threw away? Well, then my position on the Frank Reich era will be very negative.

my preferred guy is Stroud. But I can accept Young. I want them to take a shot on a young super talent. Even it isn't their #1 guy. Which you almost never can get. Which is why you can't always hold off on that dream materializing. If your ideal QB is the next Trevor Lawerence? Your coaching career opportunity isn't going to be long enough likely to ever realistically get a chance to go all in on that type prospect.

predictable

I'd like to trade up for Stroud. I'd like to trade up for less than Stroud for Young. but I don't like the whatever it takes tagline. There are limits.

sign Jacoby. Then you make a move to draft a young kid. Jacoby would be able to be in the room and knows what Frank wants to do. So you aren't having to start from scratch with everyone.

Carr is basically Kirk Cousins.

winning now requires immediate fixes though. That would mean free agents. I think we got too many holes. guess it also depends what a persons meaning of win now is. win now for me means actually trying to win a ring. to a lot of Panther fans it might just mean 9-8 and losing first round in the playoffs. Which would be excitement not seen in some time.