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I said you can't put him ahead of QBs like Matt Moore. Which you can't. At best, you might could argue Sam Darnold is on par w/ the Matt Moore's of the world. Which even that involves you throwing all stats out the window. Because Matt Moore edges him out in basically every statistical category. Is anyone up in arms when we say Matt Moore is one of the sucky old QBs we have had to play over the last 20 years? Nope.

The people saying Sam Darnold is bad.....aren't claiming all the other QBs over the last 20 years weren't bad though. Sam is being held to the same standards. You can't even put Sam Darnold ahead of the Matt Moore's. Sam Darnold is not a good NFL QB.

can’t judge Corral on that preseason game. Corral wasn’t getting camp work going into it. Reps weren’t there for a rookie 4th string QB when their was a battle between the 1 and 2 QB that last all preseason. Imagine being a rookie QB that doesn’t get camp work…..being thrown out there in a Matt Rhule offense with guys who are now selling insurance.

I would assume the getting rid of all Rhule's guys likely leans toward his non-draft picks and the Rhule veteran/culture guys. Think him then immediately talking Horn makes it just sound weird. They aren't getting rid of Brown, Icky, TMJ, BC, Shi etc either. But the Robbies. The Darnolds. The Baylor crew. Those are the types that really helped mold the Matt Rhule stink that Cam was smelling when he returned. Cam might be washed but Cam certainly knows the right vibe you want. The type guys you need. That was always a massive red flag when Cam spoke on having to bring that off the streets late in year 2.

Once coaching meets a certain level of competency.... it's largely just about talent in the NFL IMO. Matt Rhule didn't reach that base level. Could say the same w/ Urban. All bets are off when you are that bad. But Peyton Manning had the greatest season of his entire career with Adam Gase. Gase IMO is about on par w/ the other 90% of NFL coaches we have seen.

I actually prefer the journalist and sports guys I like not work for the Panthers. I don't like them being under the Panthers thumb and control. I just hope his moves involves staying with Panthers coverage.

but a NFL team is really no different than a politician. They all speak in half truths and aren't afraid to flat out lie about what they are doing.

yeah, you know what...I forgot that anyone can have a blue check now lol. I figured that guy I shared was a verified NFL reporter lol. Brobible though. Dumb twitter.

that technically is a denial of something else. Schefter claimed they reached out to Green Bay. Not Rodgers.

it's elsewhere too

Not sure he is washed. He was league MVP in 2021. Green Bay just had zero talent at WR and he seemed checked out. but he is a d bag. And we are a DJ Moore injury away from basically being the Packers offense but worse surrounding him. No point in renting him.

David Tepper is still here. Fitterer is still here. Front office is largely still intact. One that has repeatedly done very stupid things. Are they all suddenly cured simply because they hired a new HC? Going out and throwing cash at a bunch of the best names available for your coaching staff....doesn't mean everyone in Charlotte is cured from doing dumb things. I mean, this is basically the same repeated narrative that always gets applied for every coach and new era. Including the really bad ones. NFL folks do dumb stuff. We have seen that repeatedly here and all over the league. This whole don't dare question a profession that constantly employees people from top to bottom that does dumb stuff is old. I'll judge the new era based on what they do at QB. Until then, jury remains out.

Taysom Hill and Blaine Gabbert had the best QB ratings in the NFL last year you generally won't find them or Sam Darnold listed and tracked on most sites because he and they didn't play enough. And when you barely play, the results get skewed significantly vs the field. So they exclude them from even showing because of that. You don't ignore it. You also can't take a number like that a face value.

I would assume it would mean we simply couldn’t get a good option at a good price. And therefore signed a bad option to be a pointless warm body.

Cool. I notice you opted to not respond to the 2 stats I shared that countered your obviously flawed analysis that Sam Darnold was vastly improved in 2022. Sam Darnold had a window with an improved TD and INT %. That's it. That's the only argument. And it requires you to ignore everything else. Outside of that he wasn't even accounting for average offensive production for a NFL QB. Not yards. Not passing TDs. He was accountable for below average offensive production. Then on top of that lower-than-average offensive production, he had a lower completion % and was putting the ball on the ground at a higher rate (even for Sam who has been horrific at that his entire career dating back to college). Sam Darnold is a bad QB. If knowledgeable observers think Sam Darnold is a good QB? Or that he showed real growth? Well, I'll let that statement speak for itself. Pretty sure last offseason we went at it too. You were on your soapbox claiming superior knowledge as I called out what was obviously going to happen with the pairing of Matt Rhule and Ben McAdoo. And it went exactly as I called it. Now, me saying Sam Darnold is bad and calling the 2022 Matt Rhule correctly doesn't actually make me smart. It just means I can see and state the obvious. and I was right in 2021 too when folks were pimping Sam after a couple games. It was fools gold then too. Bad Sam was clearly still there. Even old Jet fanboys like Mike Greenburg could see it. They tried to warn folks. And people were arguing the same thing you are now.

Jacoby seems like the most logical choice. He offers something to a draft pick and Corral. He knows the O. Also, he has been on and around successful teams and QBs. He would be my top pick for a vet warm body. Plus, he wasn't part of the horrific Rhule era. Which this team needs to be cleansed from. Sam Darnold is basically the posterboy of it.

yet his completion % went down and his rate of putting the ball on the ground went up. That generally doesn't go with a narrative of great improvement. In fact you could argue it was almost exactly like the 2021 season. A good 4-5 game start before the wheels predictably fell off. Repeated pattern. NFL teams just need a couple games to figure out how a staff is hiding a bad QB. Because you can only hide Sam Darnold so long in any offense.

not me. he doesn't fit the criteria for a backup. for me a backup should either be: A - A young developmental talent. That's not Sam Darnold B - A veteran that knows the scheme and is largely a teacher. One that has seen it all in the NFL. And yes, he can be called to start until your young guys are ready. That's also not Sam Darnold though. He hasn't seen it all. He doesn't know the O. And Sam largely was just a guy with physical tools. Between the ears is what he lacks and is key for a QB in that role. if I am going to watch disappointing QB play. At least let it be from someone that is doing something legit for the young talent.

again, it's about pointing out the consistency. That has been there since his USC days. You can cherry pick plays and excuse them all you want. When Sam Darnold is on the football field......the ball is always in danger. and that's a liability. We just lucked out that the ball often bounced our way when it happened so often. But that's just the luck of the bounce. all QBs deal with horrible snaps. Lineman getting beat etc. You can find those plays with everyone and more of them than Sam encountered because they all played a lot more snaps. he also wasn't average or better in all the games but the Saints games. He supplied below average offenses production vs the rest of the league in that window.

Sam Darnold only played in 6 games. Wilks did his best to limit him lean on the run. Yet....Sam Darnold had the 5th most fumbles at the QB spot on the season. Sam Darnold is Sam Darnold. He has been a consistent liability since his USC days.

Sam barely played last year. And he still was a league leader in putting the football on the ground. Sam Darnold never changes. And yet here we are....still talking about a confirmed and established bad QB.

66% comp vs 53% 50 TDs vs 26 TDs All time great undefeated Heisman Natty season vs 6-6 season Cam 2.0?

Career completion of 61% and 48 TDs to 23 INTs vs 57% and 5 TDs to 11 INTs He isn't PJ

only team I can think of that gave up 3 first round picks was Washington for RGIII.