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Well, the good news is the Giants starters should be able to call it a day. Maybe we can do better vs the second string. Jones 8/9 on that one. Everyone pretty much wide open.

Matthew Wright - Kicker https://www.panthers.com/team/players-roster/matthew-wright/

Will be interesting to see. New spot for the rookie.

well, it sounds like the Giants really lack depth on the DL with injuries. Sounds like injury bug as already hit the 2nd string. So if the Giants rest starters, our starting lineup might be up against the 3rd string D front.

Bryce Young needs reps and practice. And if he needs them, starters have to play.

I think Horn is going to be great. But he has frankly only faced Joe Burrow. Everyone else has been a bum. And that game was over after a quarter. A never showed much because of the blowout where we couldn’t stop Joe Mixon. Horn hasn’t proved a ton because of lack of games and competition.

I'm glad we went offense but Frank is of the Fox/Ron/Wilks/etc mold of NFL coach. I also wish he would give the actual full OC job to the OC....and just be a HC. That's probably my biggest annoyance, Frank wanting to come in here and be the HC playcaller. Just be the HC. You hired a young dude from a savy coaching tree and staff. Let him do what you hired him to do. Let him be the OC.

yeah, Verge at least admits to being a little generous. But Horn hasn't played a full season yet and Chinn is a corner in name only.

I mean it was a movie, the movie studio was always going to make up parts of the story to make it as interesting as possible. Rudy, Remember the Titans, Miracle, etc. Everything is part fiction in the interest of making a good movie.

True, but if I had to pick trying to accumulate wealth vs sending talent to their SEC team in regards to Oher? I’m picking football as what the wealthy boosters would be eyeing in this scenario.

Give me Sandy driving that bus in Speed

well, I know Rhule was all over it when he was here. Frank doesn't seem like the type to give 2 poos about it. Somewhere around Rhule coming the young lady that had lead it through it's peak quit because she was having children. She was good enough it made the news cycle. It might of been before Rhule. Can't remember.

gotcha. I mean, unless there is something there not seen....I don't think the conservatorship was about them trying to enrich themselves. Sounds like they had f you money. Doing it so he could go to Ole Miss? that part is just going to sit weird. I would think once that became an area of some concern. The proper thing would have been to of steered Oher elsewhere. Because that's the part that looks the worse. Not them making money but the look of them wanting to help their college football team. And traditionally, that what big f you booster folks play with. and I could see Oher finding out he wasn't legally adopted after thinking he was.....and reacting poorly. If he went his whole adult life believing it.

they were once the best in the pro game.

didn't Oher turn 18 during his senior year of HS? Could they have legally adopted him? That probably is a long process with complicated birth parents in a tiny window. I mean, I would assume wanting him to be "family" didn't happen immediately during his senior year. The he wasn't adopted thing..... I could get totally see a family using that language even if it wasn't technically true. And it not being a sinister deception. Because who would want to say, this is Micheal he sort of is family. We have a conservatorship to help him out and protect him. Which he frankly probably needed. You just call him your adopted son. I could imagine well intended or bad intended thoughts knowing so little. You could basically tell me to paint them sinister or good and I could at this stage knowing so little. anyway, sounds like the best decision would have been to say no to a movie. For Oher. For that family.

OL vs the Giants blitz - Frank already being a little preemptive there on that issue. getting the ball to Mingo

Well, Fox really spreads across 2 eras of modern NFL football. Goes to why I said my preference in today’s NFL is an Offensive HC. The league today and the league in 2002 are different games. Fox was good coach here. Not great. Again, a lot of this word usage and people using their own definitions/meanings. Frank is the step in the right direction. League is offense. The league itself doesn’t want what Fox wanted on the field. Rivera is mixed in that too.

Ron’s history is Cam’s career/success in terms of investing a team around an #1 overall pick. And that experiment went better than most do. Sorry, I don’t answer in the absolutes demanded. If you want a defensive HC….Ron would be a good one. Should you want one? Valid question. Same with investing in a player like Cam. which again, it’s easier to do worse than Ron than better. NFL history is the proof. Same was true with Fox. We actually got lucky stacking two back to back. I got no problem with you wanting better and more. But the math is the math in terms of how easy that is to do better. I’ve long said I wanted an offensive HC given the league is what it is. And Cam type QB isn’t the textbook path to find success. Especially consistent success.

Simplistic answer: I trust Ron as much as I would any defensive HC. Ron would hire someone to develop Bryce. And based on his history, can only assume he would push for a creation that played to the QBs strengths. Which is basically what you would want from a defensive HC. Now do you want a defensive HC to in charge of a team in today's NFL? Probably not. And Cam Newton isn't the type player you ideally would even want in today's NFL. The league is basically designed for Tom Brady created players. But if you are going to draft Cam Newton.......you don't try to mold him into what the league is essentially designed for. You take the freak anomaly and exploit that. Which is what Ron did with team. And when Bill Belichick got Cam he did it to an even more absurd degree. But that's not the ideal path given the rules and set up. And most coaches aren't going to be want to invest in and have to go that route.

lol. You all over the map. I said, Cam Newton non 2015 seasons where was record breaking, making Pro Bowls, winning and going to the playoffs weren't decent/mediocre years. You called those mediocre/decent years. Now you are claiming going 6-10 with Norv with a 1-9 finish (worst stretch W/L stretch of Cam's career) after teams saw the dink and dunk scheme.....was proof of being "special"? Norv was the start of CMC obsessed offense. Now, what would have Norv done with a "healthy" Cam? Who knows. He never had him. That 2016 injury did him in and no longer could go downfield in the manner he did before his shoulder went. If you didn't want to draft Cam Newton? Again. That is fine. I get not liking to go down that road and brand of football. But we drafted him. And not using an anomaly like Cam and taking advantage of what made him unique in NFL history is silly and Cam never is special if you don't. What did the GOAT Bill do with Cam? He used him in the manner that made Cam unique frankly more so than anyone had ever done. More so than Ron. And Cam won more games than us, in fewer games, with what was probably the worst roster in all the NFL. And few teams are going to want to play that way. But even Bill Belichick said, if you got Cam, you take advantage of what makes him special.

You seem to be in denial about what shortened Cam's career here. The 2016 shoulder injury that on a passing play, trying to make a tackle. Norv didn't prove Cam could be special in a pro system lol. Norv went 6-10 with Cam. It was the birth of the dink and dunk Cam Newton. And once teams got a little tape on that? Because all the wins were early.....that was finished. Norv/Cam finished 1-9. The literal worst stretch of Cam Newton's career.

I can find people that say all sorts of stuff. Cam could go today and rush for 1000 yards. He didn't get worn down. He was designed for it. It's what he was. He busted his shoulder up in 2016 on fluke play and couldn't throw after that. I mean his career is over. We know what happened. Cam wouldn't have been special in a pro system. He was special here. Again, he was an anomaly. A pro system totally negates what made him unique and special in the NFL. if you didn't want to go on that ride because you dislike what that ride is? Cool. Some people just like the game the way Tom Brady plays it. That's fine. Then you go get players that do that. But Ron drafted Cam. Again, it's a shame you didn't enjoy the best window in history. and you got you pro system guy in Bryce. It will be a different path. Because we will play to what he should do well. Hopefully, Frank can make a world he thrives in too.

Ron Rivera football in Carolina was about playing to Cam's strengths. And Cam Newton won rookie of the year, went to multiple Pro Bowls, and was league MVP because a coach was willing to do so. Cam Newton was a success in Carolina. That happened under Ron. The #1 overall pick worked out in the environment Ron built for him. And you remain invested on bashing Ron to the point of absurdity. Which again, is why YOU will make crazy statement like Cam only had decent/mediocre years in Carolina outside of 2015. That's the Ron fixation. Me? I got no problem acknowledging his flaws. He isn't my going to be whipping boy for all the flaws with the organization though. my first post to you in this thread simply acknowledged that Frank has never developed a #1 overall type QB investment as you were chalking him up as obviously better at it. Ron's only history of it worked out pretty well. You keep posting that I think Ron is some QB guru and technical developer. No, all that is simply hired out. Said Ron was willing to let Cam be Cam and devoted his job to that. Which was a risky move. And that's a massive reason why Cam Newton worked out. Because of what Ron was willing to do and create here. An environment for one of the unique QBs in NFL history. An anomoly at the position. And it worked out pretty good. Best window of our history. Shame you didn't enjoy more.

again, you keep going back to some argument you are manifesting.....after I called you out for claiming Cam Newton had one good season and just a bunch of decent or mediocre ones. Then you have altered you slowly altered your language about all those decent/mediocre ones because it was absurd. Ron Rivera is a defensive coach. They hire that out. Which is what Ron did. And Cam Newton is a borderline HOFer. And if hadn't blown his shoulder out in 2016 likely would have been a HOFer eventually. and yeah, you got a Ron fixation. Which means you are so fixated on bashing him you would say stuff like Cam only had decent/mediocre seasons outside of 2015 all as a means to bash Ron. Again, Fox and Ron were good enough. Easier to do worse than better than them. League history shows that. Biggest problem in Carolina was the owner/GM. Again, that's been the biggest problem from look at the pie chart moment forward. NFL is a talent league.

I mean, I have acknowledged Ron was flawed. Same with Fox. Again, flawed but good coaches vs their peers It’s a bigger convo than them. But that gets in the way of your Ron fixation. Last 2 decades. HCs. GMs. Owners. That makes your front office. Weakest link of that trio over the last 2 decades isn’t the coaches. Fox and Ron are better at their jobs than Hurney and Gettlemen.