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top tier WRs are getting more guaranteed money than the top OTs. highest amount of guaranteed money in a OT contract presently is 64M. Several WR ahead of that. Same for CBs, several ahead of the lead OT in terms of guaranteed money.

75ish guaranteed. Puts him at the top of tier 2 and not in tier 1.

Denver has a well built defensive roster. It’s why they could let Von Miller go and became a top 10 D with him at Rams. And why they could let Chubb go in season the next year after letting Von Miller go….and still finished as a top 10 D. Being well built should be the priority. Not dependent on one dude. Burns knee could go out tomorrow and you would have 120+ guaranteed sitting there if some got their way. and I’ve always been willing to part with anyone if and when the time comes. Which is never popular around here in the moment. We should of taken those picks. You got to take deals when they are too good. I clearly want Burns. But it doesn’t mean there aren’t limits to wanting him.

I would say there are a lot more than 2 well built rosters in the NFL.

well, as a team lead by Burns last year. we were bottom half of the league in pressure %, knockdown %, hurry %

for 120+ guaranteed? I'd rather go pay for a proven dominant DT and a dominant pass rusher. Because you can get 2 for the same price. Roster management. the best DTs have just been signed for 60. And some of the best pass rushers in the game just signed for less than 60. Market hasn't been flipped on it's head because of Bosa. The other Bosa, Garrett, and Mack already were getting stupid 100+ guaranteed. end of the day, I'd rather have a well built roster than a handful of studs. That's always been a Panther problem.

I mean, we aren't in win now mode. We are in developing Bryce Young build around him mode. If you have a good front office....you should be able to generate pressure in a 3-4 scheme with a well built roster. Without breaking the bank on any one player IMO. And it should be a couple years before we are legitimately trying to make a run so we have some time to build up the roster as well.

too much talk on the per yer stuff. That's not my issue. Burns leans too one dimensional IMO for even 90 mill. That's why he is in the tier below to begin with. I personally think he should top out at around 75ish guaranteed range. Which is stupid money and the highest of the tier below by a decent margin.

Bosa reset the top of his tier. The one Burns isn't in. And we have seen guys recently in Burns tier do their contracts while the Bosa tier has kept getting reset. So again, Burns should be at the top of the tier below. Which means, you don't need to keep talking about Bosa. You need to talk about Burns resetting the tier Chubb and company are in. Which is still stupid money. Fitt should be fired today if he does Bosa guaranteed money IMO. And guaranteed money is all we should be talking about.

I again, I am pointing to all the recent contracts. They are what they are. You ignoring them doesn't mean they don't exist. There are different tiers. Chubb, Von Miller, Reddick. Those aren't old deals. Bosa reset the top of a tier that already existed. That Khalil Mack, his brother were already part of and were setting in recent history. The 100+ club. Brian Burns isn't in that tier. Just a reality. He is in the tier below. He should reset the top of that tier.

the 100 million dollar guaranteed tier had already been established. Bosa didn't just create it. Burns isn't in it. and Chubb, Von Miller, Reddick, etc. were all signed to their deals while that upper tier was being established too. They didn't fit in it.

There is a 40-60 million guaranteed tier.....and there is a 100 million tier. Burns is in the 40-60 million tier. You can even let him reset the top of it like Bosa just did with his tier. But Burns isn't worth 100+ guaranteed. He isn't the complete and dominant player like those that belong there. and folks really need to talk about guranteed and not average per year. Guaranteed is what counts, the rest if window dressing.

plenty of pass rushers have been on the move of late…..for practically half the guarantee money of Bosa. maybe folks would want to see Burns maybe play one real game in our new scheme before locking up 120+ guaranteed.

I mean, I was just responding to the declaration that if Burns wasn’t on the field the D couldn’t tie their own shoes. in the one game he didn’t suit up for last year, they won with D. So they can add 1+1 and do some basics. and we got Evero. He created pressure last year when they traded Chubb. Obviously you want Burns. I’m just saying there are limits. It’s a replaceable league. Hence why all the contracts of pass rush specialist of late….have been deals with new teams.

Fitt would be public enemy #1. Burns just catching shrapnel every game he doesn’t do something.

31 teams ain’t paying him 120+ guaranteed. Not as a pass rush specialist. You would need to be dominant run defender too with the pass rush game for 31 teams to hit the 120+ club. one guy at 100+ is a weak run defender. And it’s the Browns. Who do dumb things. See Watson. And their entire history.

Nothing really matters but the guaranteed money. Burns isn’t worth 120M+ guaranteed All the other comparable guys have been around 40-60ish in recent deals.

We saw the defense without Burns last year we held our opponent to their lowest point total we held anyone to all year. 7 points. and if you win scoring 10 points, that’s your defense getting you the win. So it can and did function minus Burns last year. Granted your clearly want Burns. But 120 million guaranteed is 120 million guaranteed.

Again, Reddick, Chubb, Von Miller… you can get great pass rushers for 40-60 guaranteed. All recent deals. paying Burns 120+ guaranteed is just bad business

Guaranteed money Reddick 30M Von Miller -51M Chubb -53M Crosby - 53M all these deals were just done not long ago Folks want to give Burns 120+ guaranteed

It’s about the guaranteed. And Burns doesn’t need to sniff 120+.

Contracts do go up. They don’t go up from 60m guaranteed to 120+guaranteed in a less than a year….when talking about comparable players.

Peyton Manning rewrote the rookie passing record book across the board as a passer. That’s not him intentionally tanking lol.

Bad contracts/deals are bad no matter the position. And they add up. no one is saying don’t pay Burns. But Bosa money would be dumb. 120+ guaranteed? Comparable players are at half that in that last year. And our dumb management of things has never been limited to just RBs and LBs.

Well, I do think at times the cap talk is exaggerated in terms of what you can and can’t do. But 120+ million guaranteed? For largely a pass rusher? That’s not in the ballpark of what top tier pass rushers have been getting in the last year. Bosa isn’t just an elite pass rusher. He is elite everything. And that’s probably too much of everything too. Which isn’t Burns. I got no problem paying Burns . I have an issue with Bosa guaranteed money.